so info you can’t use
you don’t you have a ego the size of the moon you are according to you never wrong
The Devs have said your wrong on the Gripen FM
The Devs have said your wrong on the RM12
Just stop
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These goals were well discussed in other available documentation as well and verified by the source I am not directly quoting from for obvious reasons. The -402 seems to use all the improvements of the RM12 + Core II technology and is installed on F-18s from 1992.
What is interesting is that the higher flow fan increased the RM12’s airflow by 5% with an additional potential growth of 5%… the Core II increases airflow by 5% without increasing the pressure ratio, while having higher temperature limits. Of course it produces more thrust than the RM12. Y’all are suggesting this is absurd and won’t address my arguments directly.
Source
I’m wrong all the time, and admit when I am.
They said that the additional reports were not necessary, and that my thoughts on some of it weren’t correct. The single report that those other issues were generalized into is still open pending a fix.
The devs said they think the RM12 produces more thrust than the -402, what I am showing you suggests otherwise. That is what the discussion is about. You simply don’t want to respond to any of my actual arguments.
Because they are baseless
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That’s not a insult it a fact he can never say he is wrong
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You’re criticizing him as a person, you should be criticizing any flaws in his arguments
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he makes wild assumption a presents them as facts
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Good, you made the first step of criticizing. Add the rest too:
Do you believe that his “assumptions” are correct or wrong
What information could confirm/disprove his assumptions
Are there anything in his assumptions that are reasonable/unreasonable
Cite any sources you may have
Try to address any information he has, any argument he makes where reasonable; if he makes a claim about you as a person, you would ignore that
Ofcourse criticize information in depth - Saying “your info is wrong” doesn’t add much context to a reader trying to understand both of your views
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The Devs have already told him he is wrong i don’t need to go in circles
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know*
It’s funny how the sources which back him up are “not allowed to be shared” and can supposedly be easily found on google, yet no F-18 manuals I’ve found corroborate his claims.
Finally we agree on something.
Nothing you have shown suggests that, unfortunately.
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=> source
=> does it nullify the point he is correctly making?
=> could the developers be wrong?
=> does his information prove this to be right/wrong or neither?
He was addressing you mentioning the devs, so continue here:
Here. He argued against that claim, should you further participate in the conversation, address his counter claims that he made for you*.
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I’m trying to help you improvize your arguments so that they are easy to understand for an observer, since this is a forum other people are trying to understand what you are saying, so try to add context for your claims
The problem is mig23m just repeats the same thing over and over again, and insists everyone is wrong without ever actually addressing their arguments. Once he has decided he “knows” something, he will employ every possible tactic to support his position and dismiss any that contradict it.
When you finally catch him in his lies/mistakes, he gaslights and shifts the goalposts/changes subject/claims he can’t share the sources. The last few days he has used his experience of jet engine thermodynamics, the equivalent of someone dipping their toes on Google, to try and say that whilst the RM12 has higher static thrust than the 402… and higher airflow… and higher pressure ratio… and that GE advertise it as their second best engine in the F404 lineup… that the 402 “has better temperature limits” and therefore has a markedly better thrust curve across the envelope. One of his tried and true methods is misrepresenting sources, like how he is insisting one line about “The RM12 was designed with an aim for 10-15% increase thrust of the 400” must apply across all airspeeds and altitudes. It’s honestly pathetic.
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I think he has been addressing some things but something like “you’re wrong, that doesn’t suggest anything” isn’t very addressable. Basically a way to address this would be just another “no you”, if you get me. It would easily devolve into a tomato throwing contest.
Maybe we can try to restart the arguement instead of getting stuck in the past -
@slowhandclap what do you think of the above statement with a source?
I was just curious what the top speed it could achieve at Sea Level was, because I remember hearing it was slower than other jets, but couldn’t recall the exact number. Wasn’t debating engine performance in that comment.
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Except I’ve used sources and shown them here for everyone to see, but the sources he uses to backup are conveniently restricted, and from the ones I can find on Google none of them backup what he is saying. Like I said, he constantly lies and twists sources. I remember when the Gripen was on the dev server, and he was looking for sources to restrict its ability to pull G. He ended up linking a study about the G-regulator for the G-suit trousers the pilots wear…to say that “it seems early Gripens had problems with the G-regulator”. Comical.
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the link for his “source” doesn’t work lol.I can’t remember which one it is from and what the context is.
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Maybe the url went recently bad. Have you tried web archive? https://web.archive.org/
Paste the link in there, it may show up
@MiG_23M would you mind replacing the source with a non restricted one or giving us a reliable way of verifying the source other than “can be found in google”?
I think the thrust is about right.
It can be argued that it is using uninstalled thrust but many other planes are also using uninstalled thrust because the FM is tuned accordingly so bit hard of a report to be made without an actual source stating installed thrust in gripen.
Anyways, I dont think the problem of the gripen is the engine thrust curve.
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If you want to message me in discord I’ll be more willing to discuss the materials there, of course you are welcome to criticize me for having not provided a source on this particular topic… but I did. The +200 degree improvement is mentioned in the Core II upgrade, which is part of what makes the -402 different from the RM12.
Everything I have provided does…?