F-84F has no business being BR 8.3

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Recently I’ve spaded entire US V tier of early jets /air RB, and I could make few remarks or minor inconsistencies but F-84F sticks out like a sore thumb.
8.3 is BR when big bois come to play. It pushes you in 9.3 - early mach 2 bracket, Mig-21, F-104 Starfighter, British Lightning, you also meet really good Korea era dogfighters like Mig’s 17/19, modern stuff like Swedish Saab-105 and Italian G91, lot of AA missiles etc

Poor F-84F has no business there. It’s a bad plane that is marginally better than 7.0 F-84G variants, it loses speed rapidly, it accelerates slowly, it has 50 cals, it’s a piss poor dogfighter, all it can is drop bombs and pray nobody sees it or targets it because there’s literally nothing you can do. Really not fair or fun. If it drops in BR it would not suddenly become good or meta, just less frustrating to spade.

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Strike aircraft is a bit lacking in air combat, who would have guessed? Go use it in GRB or switch to F86

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I’m spading entire US techtree. Primary measurement of air vehicle is Air RB/AB not ground.
There are lot of armed strike aircraft, like TRAMs and A-10/SU-25 who maul early jets with advanced missiles.
It doesn’t have to be good at dogfight but if it was, it would offset to some degree his poor attacker performance. “Hey, it’s not a great attacker but at least it can fight” - this is bad in either.

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Have you tried the Vautour series in AB?

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I haven’t tried it in RB, but in AB it used to be a great RP earner. Great for crew developement too. I have several F-84F with a talisman by now. But yes, if bombing avoid interception.

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As far as speed goes, the F-84F is missing JATO which would easily help it act as an attacker by giving it the necessary speed boost to outpace fighters at the same BR. On top of this, the American F-84F could be given the J65-15 engine which would provide it with a considerable amount of thrust over the current engine it has (9,000 lbf @ SL).

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You understand that would only push it to even higher BR
F-84F is the last machine in the planet that needs an BR increase. It’s probably the worse plane in the entire US TT, and I’ve spaded them all.
Now if you could decrease basic version for 0.3 and increase advanced for 0.3 or 0.7 … perhaps

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F84F is bad for a strike plane in ARB. It should be a lower BR.

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I’ve spaded it too and I’m not gonna disagree with you on its performance. The only thing it has going for it is air spawn (being the only F-84F that’s still rank 5) and enough payload to take out a single base. Outside of this, we both know it’s severely lacking but there needs to be a complete change in order for it to be viable when compared to other aircraft of the same BR range (F-86 does being a fighter better and the A-4s do a better job at being attackers).

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tbf, it would still be a non-competitive option at 7.7 even with an engine upgrade and energy drinks (JATO bottles).

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how are the F-84F’s still at 8.3 now that things like the Mig-15bis and F-86-F’s are sitting at 8.3?
explain it to me gaijin, what is your reasoning with this nonsense?

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F-86A-5 at 8.0 while F-84F is at 8.3 is funny.

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It can only be solved by those shameless sabre bastards back from 8.0-9.0 to 8.3-9.3. To their OLD BR.

However, it cannot happen due to two reasons.
1- Skilless US mains who get dumped by inadequate jets like Vampires while flying their Sabre
Just like how they got dumped by A6M5 Ko when flying P-51H or F4U-4B
2- Every supersonic bastard in the current 9.3BR.
From F-104A/C to Lightnings. They are the major issue why F-86 and MiGs got subsidies.

If USAF F-84F lose their exclusive airspawn
And conditions are met.
All F-84F may fit in 8.0

Man, why does Gaijin hate strike jets compared to their Fighter counterparts? :/

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It is diabolical take I think.
Supersonic Jets always take advantage of supersonics against subsonics because they can decide when to fight and shoot first.

Subsonics can take advantage when supersonic makes a blunder and fails to kill subsonic in the first place. But until then, the Supersonics always have an advantage against subsonics.

Fly like an Eagle.
Don’t turn, use speed to snatch their poor lives just like an eagle catches a rabbit.

Imagine when F-104A/C were really annoying in full downtier match, before Historic FM adjustment.

And F-86 series got buffed down before the F-104’s FM adjust.

No matter whether they were Soviet or not, the Korean War Era subsonic jets facing the Vietnam Era supersonic jets is insane compression.
Including those MiG-19 or Q-5 too.

In terms of PvP, only supersonic which can’t be an issue might be Yak-28B
It only has a single NR-23 with a 50-round magazine.

False.
1- Germans don’t have F-86 prem.
2- The Japanese premium one’s model is one of the two F-86s which took no effect of Sabre subsidies.

  • F-86K
  • and F-86F-40, which shares the same BR with SUPERIOR CL-13 Mk 6.

If your claim is correct, F-86F-40 would’ve 8.7BR and be the same BR as F-86F-2
Because JPN noobs would’ve destroyed F-86F-40’s stat.

Then back to the original topic,
F-84F is suffering hard due to
-Compression created by Supersonic interceptors.
-And shameless sabre subsidies by [US Main subsidising institution].
-and Strike plane hating of Gaijin.

At least the USAF version takes a significant advantage over the exported junk because of [US exclusive air spawn].

And first step of solving it will be
Foreclosing the subsidy buffs which applied to the Sabres and MiG-15/17.

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Deciding when and where to fight is not that great of advantage when they suck at the actual fighting part.

That’s not just sub v.s super, that’s every interaction. Whoever screws up first loses.

Annoying? Yes.

Threatening? Meh.

Historical? Hell no.

Oh- I always thought one of their Cl-13s was premium.

You’re not wrong, but also, F-84F could easily receive multiple buffs, be moved lower, and still be mid. Gajin just chooses to ignore it.

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Looking at this, as a GB main, we seem to have the same issue with our Swift.f1, which when compared is even worse in most aspects (marginally better turn rate, and has 30mm’s), then we also have our Venom FB.4 sitting at 8.7 for some reason.

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If it was Russian, they would 😑🐌

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If they are not suck at actual fighting part, that advantage is critical and game-deciding.

Nah, supersonics can take a second chance of ‘disengage and reattempt’ unless Subsonic made a perfect shot while overshooting, which has a tight window of opportunity.
Or made a terrible decision such as ‘engage turnfight to them’

But if subsonics screws things up
1- Getting shot down by cannons and having no second chance.
2- Lost all energy while attempting an overshoot and was shot down in reapproach.

That is why deciding when and where to fight is a big advantage.

ABOUT THIS PART
I think I wrote the same letters before
1- DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF THAT IT IS UNHISTORICAL? Which is from TRUSTWORTHY SOURCES.
2- If YOU have proof, DID YOU WROTE A BUG REPORT ABOUT IT TO GAIJIN??

As long as the FM adjustment of F-104 was drastic, every pencil-lover loves you. :/

If you have neither, I think that claim is wild.
AFAIK, at least Gaijin read their source when they made that adjustment.

Also, as long as this topic is mainly about F-84F, discussing F-104’s FM further seems no more than a derailment.

Yeah, they chose to give subsidies to the F-86 instead.

Maybe because everyone complained about F-104(and others) while playing Sabre, and said it is unfair.

While complaints from F-84F were small and insignificant to them. Just like the A-7 or Tornado IDS case. They hate strike planes in ARB.

Seems nobody in Gaijin HQ cares about them.

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Supersonics also have a short window, but they don’t have the G pull to evade the sub’s guns.

  1. The bug report that got the F-104 nerfed didn’t have proof.

  2. A wing having 7 times more drag than irl is unrealistic.