These planes have been way too low for way too long now. F8U-2 and both American and french F-8E seriously need to be moved up. All three have extremely good flight performance (better than F-5 in both speed and agility) and very powerful missiles whilst facing flareless aircraft which can’t reliably fight back in any capacity.
Seeing an F-8 in an uptier is just an assured death sentence in most cases as you can’t outrun, outturn, or dodge or flare off their missiles. I propose these BR changes
are you really think F-8E(FR) is F8U-2 equivalent?
Man, it has half of total missile count, without any kind of defensive capability (no RWR and countermeasures)
But agrees that we need overall decompression.
How about starting with F-5? :P
Naaah… Maybe 10.3 might be plausible, but 10.7 will be overkill.
Still, 10.7 will be too high if we consider what F-8E(FR) would be facing.
Especially MiG-23ML. Unless we send them higher too.
A jet which has none of RWR nor chaff will be basically instant death against those magical SARH.
With exaggeration, in your theory, Jaguar GR.1 needs to become 10.7 and foldered with GR.1A because both are the same Jaguar with the same AIM-9G(Which is better than AIM-9D on F8U) and countermeasures will be no matter.
10.7 is too high for F-8E(FR) unless we gets ahistorical RWR and chaff dispenser.
If you dislikes my opinion, blame Gaijin and french navy please. :(
I can agree with the F8U-2, I am incredibly tired of seeing them every match in my Draken or glorified MiG-17
However, I have to disagree with the US F-8E going to 11.0 without BR decompression alongside it. It’s the same aircraft except it doesn’t rip as easy and has AIM-9Cs which (afaik from playing) aren’t really that good. 11.0 is also a very weird BR rn, we have Phantoms, Tigers, Fishbeds, and Tornadoes there but they all vary so heavily in terms of usefulness and power (such as the F-5A(G) and F-5E being the same BR despite the A(G) being somewhat better). I still don’t think a Corsair that just has more favorable hardpoints should have to face Floggers, Phantoms (though it already sees Floggers), and Magic IIs (which it also already sees, however the only airframe [to my knowledge] with them at that BR range is the Jaguar IS which is already very niche/uncommon and it isn’t all that effective in ARB)
I cannot argue over the French F-8E as I have both never seen one nor do I own one
To allow for more movement at lower BRs, the F-5C will now be at 11.3.
F-5A (ROC) to 11.7
F-5E to 12.0
F-5T/ E FCU to 12.7.
Let’s apply the same logic to the F-104s
The F-104G (German) is equivalent or worse than the F-5C in my opinion. The exact BRs can also be up for debate since this could be made better.
F-104A to 10.0
F-104C to 10.3
F-104G (CN) to 10.7
F-104J to 10.7
F-104G (ITA) to 11.0
F-104G (GER) to 11.3
F-104S to 11.7
F-104S ASA to 12.0/12.3
I think that one of the best ways to do stuff is balance by aircraft families, and then cross reference those with other equivalent aircraft. This won’t be perfect, especially in the volatile transition between cms/no cms, missiles/no missles, subsonic/supersonic, and any mix of those. That BR range is better off balanced by doing everything in that range all at once, but you can take aircraft families into consideration too.
Honestly, the Mig-23s and Mig-21s are almost all under tiered anyways.
The Ayit and Harrier are both subsonic, both lose tons of speed in turns, and the Harrier turns worse than the average Japan main on a mobility scooter. While the Ayit is under tiered, → most planes can beat it in terms of flight performance<-, unlike the F-8s.
The F-8’s Max speed is abit lower than the F-5, but it accelerates way faster which matters more in a practical application. Also, idk what these rudder issues you speak of are.
Personally, the Aim-9Cs are one of my favorite missiles in WarThunder. They’re practically all-aspect Aim-9Ds. If Gajin fixed the many bugs with the F-8E’s tracking and guidance of the Aim-9Cs, it could easily move to 11.0 or even 11.3 without issue.
Man what did the F-104s do to you? They ain’t much more than supersonic mosquitos now.
That was an a decompressed state, assuming the F-5C/F-104G went up to 11.3 to add an extra 0.7 to the BRs below them. The real list would look something like this. The F-104A could also go to 9.7 if it needs to.
Use flaps and thrust vectoring. They help a ton, but the gen 1 harriers are still kinda bricks compared to the gen 2 ones, but both are underperforming by a lot.
the F-8U-2 breaks its wings if you try turning at highs speed. Besides that none of them are even close to the flight performance of the F-5s
Irl the french one was better regarding lift. But they are exactly the same in game. I have been playing the french one and its a slog without flares. And you can only carry two french missiles or 4 aim 9bs.
Just lower your speed in a dogfight. The F-8s all have very good energy retention, acceleration, and airbrakes.
Unless every player I have ever fought in an F-5 (every Swedish F-5, every Japanese F-5, every Chinese F-5, and every F-5C/E) was just insanely bad at dogfighting by some 1/1,000,000,000 chance, the F-8 is a better dogfighter than the F-5.
The french one is an E variant, so it doesn’t have wings made of twigs unlike the F8U-2. Those two french missiles are insanely powerful aswell.
I couldn’t find any bug reports regarding the F-8E (FN)'s lift, so I suggest you make one.
I play the F-8E extremely often. I don’t really use rudder to line up shots, I just use A/D to roll so that the elevator can do all the work.
I’ve played the french one a ton and even gotten the free ace on it but neither of the other ones. I agree with the other guy that the weird rolling back in place fast makes it hard to aim.
Anyway the french one slaughters in a downtier and isn’t impossible to play in a slight uptier because it outturns lots of people preventing missile locks. It got the radar lock lead indicator recently but I haven’t played with that/seen how useful it actually is. It’s limitation is that its kind of slow for a supersonic.
Could it go up in rating to 10.3? Yeah probably. Really depends how oppressive it is based on whos playing what. Used to get like 70% downtiers with it now I don’t get many. As much as I like it it’s probably very annoying dying to magics in a flareless plane. It shouldn’t be the same rating as the flare ones though.
