I would also like to take this chance to run a quick poll:
(I would also like to say, should it become more apparent if this is indeed a bug, I’ll have the tag changed to include “bug” in it. I’ll also make an attempt to have a bug report created and rectify this issue.)
I understand it’s a frustrating issue, but that doesn’t mean it should be nerfed and gimped in another way to make up for gaijin’s shortcomings. Gaijin’s modeling of the heat index of aircraft is… wonky to say the least. The heat and tracking of Heat/IR in this game is based on thrust amounts at a given time from what I understand and certain multipliers. The F-5s reheat being so cold is a problem based on the latter, from what I understand at least, and the former is why harriers have such an awful time flaring missiles especially when turning.
I do politely ask that you don’t bring this specific issue up further, as it was indeed outlined in the original post that it isn’t relevant to this thread dedicated to discussing a different bug entirely (You even quoted it). It’s another issue entirely, even if it’s related to the F-5, that’s not what this thread is about and is considered off-topic as I’ve outlined. The F-5 series and friends have multiple issues, but this thread is only meant to address one of them, the one that recently occurred as of the latest update and the main topic of this thread.
You can hate gaijin’s implementation of the F-5 all you want, but that doesn’t mean it should be artificially nerfed in the wrong way to make up for gaijin’s shortcomings in other areas. The lower amount of countermeasures effects the F-20A as well, which is in no way cancerous in some settings like the F-5E is and didn’t in any way deserve to be affected by this change.
The same bug(?) affects the Q-5s/A-5C too. Previously all of their 18 flares fired individually unless you mixed flares/chaff, now they fire in pairs.
I’m sure this affects other planes that used the same system of 1 flare/chaff per pop unless they were mixed too.
So just gonna add this, the F-5A(G)-40 is incorrect and has been bug reported since it was released. It has different countermeasures to all the Tigers. It has on the left the same CM as all other Tigers so 30 CM, and the right side is a large caliber pod with 15 flares (Large) only. So 15 large first then the left side fires one at a time as it doesn’t have another pod. This should be the only Tiger in game that should fire 1 flare at a time.
(Additionally the F-5A(G)-40 is missing a lot of its armament and its Viking shield CM pods.)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/5MmIfHiwyMJU
Link to the bug report, if you wanted the info on the pods
If it’s wrong, then it should be reported with sources.
Harriers should be single mode too lol I do think the F-5 was double fire
However, Gaijin should also be the one to give sources when they nerf a plane like that, especially considering this affected multiple planes. This also wasn’t stated in the changelog either.
This is the only issue i have. They should have added it, however it doesn’t mean this shouldn’t have had happened.
Countermeasure drop patterns are subject to developers designs and balancing (last I checked), not sources stating drop patterns and usage IRL. Its reasons like this in which the same AN/ALE-40 small and larger dispenser found on the Thai F-16A is able to single drop when two small dispensers as seen on other F-16s (even when visually modeled the other way) are able to double drop.
It depends on the aircraft and the amount of countermeasures it carries for gaijin to decide upon its drop patterns last I checked.
And even then:
I mean no sources were provided for this change, why should they be provided to revert it? Although this has happened before with other changes, no countermeasure drop patterns have required sources before to my knowledge.
I think they’ve made this change to a lot of airframes. But it may have been an internal bug report done by Devs. I see the argument both for and against listing every single change on the change log. On one hand, it would be nice to see every change, on the other it would be 100s of pages long
As far as I am aware. They are. It could have also been an internal tech mod report. Your best bet is to DM a tech mod and ask an answer for both questions.
Is it a reportable feature or a dev decision?
And
Was it an internal report that resulted in this change?
I’ll reach out to one later to ask and confirm this then.
Reached out to gunjob a while ago but no response yet. Just letting you know I messaged a Tech Mod. Guess I’ll continue to wait for any confirmation…
They are volunteers and can be quite busy. I guess they get a lot of DMs. Could try someone else. @WaretaGarasu Able to comment on flares release patterns for aircraft?
This is incorrect. About F5E, you can make a report about it and we can forward it on.
Alright I’ll look into that later today, thanks for the reply!
Sorry this took awhile, was a bit busy with my birthday week and some work stuff. Here’s the report if anyone would like the link:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OTECl1pX8Eq7
Thanks for the help y’all, have a great day!
Excuse me @WaretaGarasu , but could I borrow a moment of your time if you can spare some?
It’s been two months without this being acknowledged, and within that time a nearly identical report for the same issue occurring in the Q-5 series of aircraft was recently fixed here:
I was wondering if you could review my report or get it passed possibly? It would mean the world to me, as 2 new Swiss aircraft will be arriving in the future update using the same CM dispenser, and I’d hate to see it suffer from this bug as well when it hits the live server.
Here’s the same report link as seen in my last post above:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OTECl1pX8Eq7
Thank you for your time, and I hope you have a wonderful day!
Still nothing as of now, don’t quite know what to do now. Anyway here’s some fun info:
The new Swiss Mirage IIIS which uses the same dispenser as all the aircraft this report it attached to has the old drop pattern… peak comedy… even the new Swiss F-5E has the broken drop pattern. How gaijin, how does this happen? Anyway I got no clue how I can get gaijin staff to read my report, anyone got any ideas?
Pray, because even if they read it, their first thought won’t be “how do we fix it as soon as possible,” but rather “how can we reject the report?”
