F-5Es/F-20A Had a Shadow Nerf (Bug?). They’re now weaker defensively as of the recent update

If it’s wrong, then it should be reported with sources.

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Harriers should be single mode too lol I do think the F-5 was double fire

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However, Gaijin should also be the one to give sources when they nerf a plane like that, especially considering this affected multiple planes. This also wasn’t stated in the changelog either.

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This is the only issue i have. They should have added it, however it doesn’t mean this shouldn’t have had happened.

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Countermeasure drop patterns are subject to developers designs and balancing (last I checked), not sources stating drop patterns and usage IRL. Its reasons like this in which the same AN/ALE-40 small and larger dispenser found on the Thai F-16A is able to single drop when two small dispensers as seen on other F-16s (even when visually modeled the other way) are able to double drop.

It depends on the aircraft and the amount of countermeasures it carries for gaijin to decide upon its drop patterns last I checked.

And even then:
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I mean no sources were provided for this change, why should they be provided to revert it? Although this has happened before with other changes, no countermeasure drop patterns have required sources before to my knowledge.

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I think they’ve made this change to a lot of airframes. But it may have been an internal bug report done by Devs. I see the argument both for and against listing every single change on the change log. On one hand, it would be nice to see every change, on the other it would be 100s of pages long

As far as I am aware. They are. It could have also been an internal tech mod report. Your best bet is to DM a tech mod and ask an answer for both questions.

Is it a reportable feature or a dev decision?

And

Was it an internal report that resulted in this change?

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I’ll reach out to one later to ask and confirm this then.

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Reached out to gunjob a while ago but no response yet. Just letting you know I messaged a Tech Mod. Guess I’ll continue to wait for any confirmation…

They are volunteers and can be quite busy. I guess they get a lot of DMs. Could try someone else. @WaretaGarasu Able to comment on flares release patterns for aircraft?

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This is incorrect. About F5E, you can make a report about it and we can forward it on.

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Alright I’ll look into that later today, thanks for the reply!

Sorry this took awhile, was a bit busy with my birthday week and some work stuff. Here’s the report if anyone would like the link:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OTECl1pX8Eq7
Thanks for the help y’all, have a great day!

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Excuse me @WaretaGarasu , but could I borrow a moment of your time if you can spare some?

It’s been two months without this being acknowledged, and within that time a nearly identical report for the same issue occurring in the Q-5 series of aircraft was recently fixed here:

I was wondering if you could review my report or get it passed possibly? It would mean the world to me, as 2 new Swiss aircraft will be arriving in the future update using the same CM dispenser, and I’d hate to see it suffer from this bug as well when it hits the live server.
Here’s the same report link as seen in my last post above:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OTECl1pX8Eq7

Thank you for your time, and I hope you have a wonderful day!

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Still nothing as of now, don’t quite know what to do now. Anyway here’s some fun info:

The new Swiss Mirage IIIS which uses the same dispenser as all the aircraft this report it attached to has the old drop pattern… peak comedy… even the new Swiss F-5E has the broken drop pattern. How gaijin, how does this happen? Anyway I got no clue how I can get gaijin staff to read my report, anyone got any ideas?

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Pray, because even if they read it, their first thought won’t be “how do we fix it as soon as possible,” but rather “how can we reject the report?”

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Fixed as of the latest version, finally!!! (For every aircraft except the F-20A it seems as it wasn’t mentioned in the post or datamines, @Shin_Kazama wanna handle that per chance?) (got word the F-20A is fixed as well, phew)

Thank you all

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Now for them to get their correct CM quantities

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Last I checked all F-5Es had correct quantities, as 15 large and 30 small is not only commonly used but visually modeled on most. I think I heard something about the Swiss ones using 60, but can’t confirm.

If you mean the non F-5Es, such as the F-5A/C/NF-5A with the 60 and 30, yeah those need a fix. No idea where those 30 large even came from lmao

F-5A(G)-40 should be large flare on the left totaling 15, then on the right being 30 small flare and chaff, so 45 cm. Also its still missing its Viking CM pod but gaijin doesn’t care about it because that would require effort lol.

F-5C should be reduced to 60 cm