F-5C Flares need to be removed. It is FICTIONAL

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@TheArcticFoxxo

And Israeli Mirages never mounted Atars. Gaijin, remove Mirage 5F!

Wrong wrong and wrong again,…

All Mirage 5 and Derivative IAI Nesher used ATAR 9C engines, even if built “under license”

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@TyphoonCro

Someone explained that to me but can’t recall who… Dutch F-5s were upgraded, Norwegian ones were not. So Norwegian F-5A with ALE-40s is closest to F-5C with flares in game

As far as I can see, dutch NF-5s only had select things like engine improvements, changes to the wings, as well as avionics and radar suite.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Boo hoo

[Morvran]

I can see 3 options for the F5C

1. they remove CMs without moving BR. But this would kill the aircraft and no one would buy it, Gaijin won’t do that
2. remove the CMs but drop it’s BR down. Nope again, they can’t do that. It would destroy everything at a lower BR, even if they removed the AAMs as well.
3. fix it’s heat signature, but leave CMs.

[TyphoonCro]

Kinda leaning towards option 3
What’s the EGT of J85 on afterburner, do you maybe know?

[Morvran]

I don’t, I have no idea, but when a F5C on full reheat is 60° colder than a sea harrier. Something is probably wrong

F-5C Flares need to be removed. It is FICTIONAL

I am surprised this F-5C debate is still ongoing. Gaijin wont ever remove the flares. So that is a dead argument. The better argument to fight for now, is to fix how IR signatures work in-game. Currently, they focus ONLY on the engine temp, not the exhaust temp. This means that an F-5C on full reheat is actually a colder target than many other aircraft at its BR

F-5C

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Sea Harrier FRS1

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This makes its flares more effective than they shoul…

[TyphoonCro]

That’s funny, Harrier should (well, not really sure but logic… Which might be flawed. Anyhow.) have colder exhaust because it should mix exhaust from both cold nozzle and hot nozzle, right?

[Morvran]

I think so? Beyond my knowledge.

But IRL you could angle the nozzles to turn a rear aspect shot into a side aspect shot when defending against a missile but it doesn’t work in game either I think.

Just a dry engine or dry power should probably have a smaller heat signature than the giant plumes of flame

[Panther2995]

@MajloActual

American F-5A and F-5C never mounted countermeasures. Even though technically possible, it doesn’t matter, it was never done. It should be as simple as that…

İtalian F-104’s also never equipped countermeasures but here we are.

[GNDM_Panzer]

@MajloActual

American F-5A and F-5C never mounted countermeasures. Even though technically possible, it doesn’t matter, it was never done. It should be as simple as that…

Yak-141 never had any electronics for weapons and radar suites but here we are.

[Vamilad]

@IBurntTheToast

You do not want an F-5 at 9.7.

The F-5C is already at a BR where it can be seen at 9.7 I do not understand the fear you people have when it’s already present ingame, except it also has flares.

[ShermyDragon]

Once again, the Mitsubishi T-2 is at 9.7 (+Faster, +Better missiles, -Sustained maneuverability) and is just fine. You think a flareless F-5C, giving anything that gets on its tail the ability to actually take it down, would break the game somehow?

[CodyBlues]

Which is why it would stay at its current BR considering it, and the F-5E, are already undertiered.

[AlvisWisla]

If you want a 9.3 F-5C, I recommend the F-100D.

@CodyBlues
If that was the case then the F-5E would be on-par with any 11.0, but it’s inferior to them all.
F-5E would also be superior to all 10.7s, however there are a number of 10.7s superior to F-5E such as F-4F, Kfir Canard, Su-22M3, and J-35XS are all superior to F-5E. Fix the AB temperature of the J85 engine and it’ll be fine.

[FeetPics]

What is a flareless F5C going to do against planes that are faster than it and that can launch good IR missiles at it? How do you expect F5C to fight against MiG-21 SMT at the same BR that is faster than it and has 4 R-60Ms? Or the plethora of F-104s that have countermeasures and Aim-9J equivalents? What do you expect an F5C to do when facing MiG-23ML if it doesn’t have flares?

[Mytho-GR1]

well i don’t think the flares should be removed but the engine on heat should be hotter

[ShermyDragon]

Ask yourself all these questions, then consider the existence of the Mitsubishi T-2 which I’ve done quite well in despite all of the above aircraft lol

[MajloActual]

All ahistorical loadouts and made up “what ifs” should be corrected.
This just happens to be the F-5C topic, so other aircraft are understandable not in focus.

[MajloActual]

@GNDM_Panzer

Yak-141 never had any electronics for weapons and radar suites but here we are.

See my previous comment.

[Bike_Stunts]

@MajloActual

All ahistorical loadouts and made up “what ifs” should be corrected.

Honestly, why? The game can’t get more ahistorical than it already is. You have F-14s fighting F-14s backed up by MiG-29s and F-16s on both sides, fighting on some kind of World of Warcraft map with planes weaving between stone pillars. If I’m to understand correctly, high tier sim doesn’t have real Redfor vs Blufor matchmaking either, and can you not fly A6Ms against Brits over Russia in lower tier sim? Compared to the way gameplay is actually prosecuted the fact that a plane gets a completely historical flare dispenser that it simply didn’t carry in its operational lifetime in real life seems like a pretty small historical deviation.

I understand the feelings of unfairness that a premium American plane gets to ignore historical restrictions when many planes do not. I don’t understand why people would rather see no one get such perks rather than everyone getting it.