You finely control the mouse…
At this point you have No clue what you are talking about
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He never had a clue
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In some respects yes, but you also dont have an Aim-9J.
Which means a flareless F-5C would have to allways avoid a launch angle against a fighter with a lot of nose authority should it decide to use it.
So what, F-1 itself doesn’t have flares either
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Im talking about the T-2 here at 9.7
its the exact same as F-1, just 2 less missiles
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F-5C’s over-BR’d currently and people are arguing about its flares.
Its FM could get fully fixed to where it dogfights worse than a Mig-21SMT.
Its engines could get fixed [G91Y shares the same engines].
Then it’d be a worse T-2 with flares.
again you have no Idea what ur talking about
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And thats why a Flareless F-5C would likely be 9.7
You won’t believe what the T-2 also doesn’t have.
Wow. Its as if i allready know the differences between the T-2, F1 and F-5C.
Edit: it couldn’t possibly be that ive allready outlined the differences:
Therefore, if the F-1 was 10.3 with 4x 9Ps and the F-5C was 10.3 with 2x 9Es, the F-5C has much better flight performance. It only stayed at 10.3 because it was already garbage.
F-5C also have flares.
T-2 is comparable in flight performance, and it gets 2 vastly superior missiles and it has no flares.
That a flareless F-5C goes to 9.7 to match the BR of the T-2 is a very reasonable assumption
Still have no idea why people perpetrate this illusion. The T-2 and F-1 closely resemble the Jaguar in many ways, and use the same engines. And a Jaguar is no match for an F-5C in a dogfight.
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Having used the F-1 and T-2 against the F-5C i can say even without fine turn control i get advantagous positions and kill the F-5C.
And if the F-5C doesn’t have flares one can with reasonable certinity do a 1 turn as the F-5C has to allways avoid any possibility of a successful launch as the F-5C, or most planes for that matter, cannot dodge a correctly launched 9P/9J (they are afterall almost undodgeable)
Edit: you know having also done the same with the Jaguar with flares at 10.3
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Picture you posted shows F-104’s with countermeasures.
So whats your game?
You said that Italian F104 got cm only because manual stated so (assuming they were never used irl)
I said manual states they are compatible, never said anything about they did equipped or not.