Kinda leaning towards option 3
What’s the EGT of J85 on afterburner, do you maybe know?
I don’t, I have no idea, but when a F5C on full reheat is 60° colder than a sea harrier. Something is probably wrong
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That’s funny, Harrier should (well, not really sure but logic… Which might be flawed. Anyhow.) have colder exhaust because it should mix exhaust from both cold nozzle and hot nozzle, right?
I think so? Beyond my knowledge.
But IRL you could angle the nozzles to turn a rear aspect shot into a side aspect shot when defending against a missile but it doesn’t work in game either I think.
Just a dry engine or dry power should probably have a smaller heat signature than the giant plumes of flame
İtalian F-104’s also never equipped countermeasures but here we are.
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Yak-141 never had any electronics for weapons and radar suites but here we are.
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The F-5C is already at a BR where it can be seen at 9.7 I do not understand the fear you people have when it’s already present ingame, except it also has flares.
Once again, the Mitsubishi T-2 is at 9.7 (+Faster, +Better missiles, -Sustained maneuverability) and is just fine. You think a flareless F-5C, giving anything that gets on its tail the ability to actually take it down, would break the game somehow?
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Which is why it would stay at its current BR considering it, and the F-5E, are already undertiered.
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If you want a 9.3 F-5C, I recommend the F-100D.
@CodyBlues
If that was the case then the F-5E would be on-par with any 11.0, but it’s inferior to them all.
F-5E would also be superior to all 10.7s, however there are a number of 10.7s superior to F-5E such as F-4F, Kfir Canard, Su-22M3, and J-35XS are all superior to F-5E. Fix the AB temperature of the J85 engine and it’ll be fine.
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What is a flareless F5C going to do against planes that are faster than it and that can launch good IR missiles at it? How do you expect F5C to fight against MiG-21 SMT at the same BR that is faster than it and has 4 R-60Ms? Or the plethora of F-104s that have countermeasures and Aim-9J equivalents? What do you expect an F5C to do when facing MiG-23ML if it doesn’t have flares?
well i don’t think the flares should be removed but the engine on heat should be hotter
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Ask yourself all these questions, then consider the existence of the Mitsubishi T-2 which I’ve done quite well in despite all of the above aircraft lol
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All ahistorical loadouts and made up “what ifs” should be corrected.
This just happens to be the F-5C topic, so other aircraft are understandable not in focus.
See my previous comment.
Honestly, why? The game can’t get more ahistorical than it already is. You have F-14s fighting F-14s backed up by MiG-29s and F-16s on both sides, fighting on some kind of World of Warcraft map with planes weaving between stone pillars. If I’m to understand correctly, high tier sim doesn’t have real Redfor vs Blufor matchmaking either, and can you not fly A6Ms against Brits over Russia in lower tier sim? Compared to the way gameplay is actually prosecuted the fact that a plane gets a completely historical flare dispenser that it simply didn’t carry in its operational lifetime in real life seems like a pretty small historical deviation.
I understand the feelings of unfairness that a premium American plane gets to ignore historical restrictions when many planes do not. I don’t understand why people would rather see no one get such perks rather than everyone getting it.
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These actions taken for gameplay sake and its unlikely that Gaijin will change anything.
Best get to use to it.
The T-2 is 9.7 BR…it is not 10.3 BR. It is two steps below the F5C and has two 20G missiles. It’s worst BR match-up is to 10.7 which means it does not fight MiG-23ML/A/D fighters. It also doesn’t fight MiG-21 Bis variants.
At 9.7 BR it has a reasonable chance of being able to out-pace a decent portion of the planes it faces and faces a lot less all aspect missiles. Removing the F5Cs flares would just make it a free kill for anyone with all aspect missiles and a faster plane…and would ultimately result in it being reduced in battle rating.
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I see the vehicles themselves, and the game how that plays, as two separate parts of one whole.
I am not playing War Thunder because I want to play a 1:1 real historical scenario every battle I play, but I’m also not here only for the gameplay of the game. I am here out of an interest for the vehicles that existed in history, and how they were.
I do not expect the game to put M4A2 (75mm) Shermans vs Tiger II:s, or even for the Maus to only face WW2 tanks, but I do expect the vehicles themselves to be depicted “correctly”.
War Thunder itself describes on its about page to be just that:
Over 2,500 highly detailed aircraft, helicopters, ground vehicles, warships and other combat vehicles crafted carefully from historical documents and surviving sources.
Just because the gameplay does not strictly adhere to history, does not mean it (history) should be thrown out of the window for everything else.
The entire draw of the game is the vehicles themselves.
If nothing else, giving vehicles only what they were actually equipped with gives the game an excuse to add more, different variants of said vehicles, with different equipment, rather than just mashing them all together into one.
Why have different versions of vehicles, and multiple nations, if we’re just gonna mix and match configurations of them and put them wherever.
We may as well be playing World of Tanks, where you get one Panzer IV and you get to choose which gun to use, rather than have all the different and interesting modifications of the vehicle as separate entities… No thanks I say to that. I would rather have historically interesting vehicles, than mangled messes.
I don’t think of the ahistorical modifications as unfair, premium or not. I just care about the history of the vehicles themselves.
To me, if everyone got “such perks”, it would be even worse than only a handful getting them.
A very defeatist way to look at things.
It is indeed unlikely that Gaijin will change - but it is not impossible if enough people stop silently accepting the current status quo, and instead ask for things to be better.
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