Don’t quite get the first part.
F-5 is more of a 109 than a Spitfire.
F-4F at 11.0 is/was cannon fodder.
I played the US and Taiwanese tech tree F-5s when they were 11.0 and did well in them. The US one I had back when F-16 etc. were not in game yet and it was completely fine.
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Here’s the deal tho, did you do better in F-5E than you did Mig-21SMT, Mig-21MF, Mirage 3C, and Mirage 3E?
Cause I do rather equal in all listed which shows a consistency in what is presumably balanced vehicles.
What do I do better in? Saab-35XS for some reason despite it having low fuel, no RWR, and limited flares.
And F-104S & Tornado IDS when they were 10.7, which were my top performing jets outside my ideal playstyle [Sea Vixen] out of any other jets and their BR changes were well deserved.
Granted, I fly jets with afterburners the “same”, with first priority being energy fight, and turnfights left to the things with more thrust/airframe performance over the enemy.
F-5E is good, it’s not F-104S & F-4E good tho.
F-5Es were my meals when they were introduced, and still are. & I never played them cause I knew they were over-BR’d, and only that BR because people turnfight them like people do Venoms or A6M5s.
What do you think?
That would not work for me since I played jets at that Br at different times always with a different situation at that Br.
When you say you are taking a look at what you are better in do you mean stats?
That can be very misleading. You should always judge the aircrafts performance be it 1 on 1 or in the average air match compared to other aircraft.
F-5 was absolute godmode when it was newly introduced. The flight model was crazy.
F-16 is the F-5 of current top tier so to speak. Sure in F-5 it was not possible to chase down every single enemy aircraft but as long as they came after you and your flying was up to the task you were able to beat practically any aircraft that wasnt a Draken.
And?
I’m of course talking about the game while irl Phantom got jumped by older jets while doing low altitude bombing.
No idea how you would create a scenario in which a F-5 would even be around where a F-4 would like to engage it regarding altitude for example.
As I see it in War Thunder as long as flying low renders radar guided missiles useless F-4 will always get slapped by F-5.
F-5E would likely not lose a rate fight against F-4E.
As long as F-5 avoids being hit by a radar guided missile or being damaged in a headon F-4E is dead.
In playstyle, general situation at that Br and comparison to it’s peers F-16 especially F-16A and Netz closely resemble the situation when F-5E, F-4E and the like were top tier.
In between F-5 had to do more defensive flying while the 4th gen jets were a bit much to compete with but now the BR got adjusted.
Most other aircraft at 11.0 or even at 11.3 are obsolete however.
I have no idea what gave you the idea that delta wing aircraft are more popular than others. I’d say the opposite is true. Aircraft with superior instantaneous turning capability are also not necessarily the most sought after.
While 4th gen jets are a matter of their own and mostly depend on how authentic their implementation is or isn’t at lower tiers some aircraft are used more than others for sure but on average energy monsters are usually easier to fly efficiently or are at least rather straight forward in the way they have to be palyed.
I don’t know about overperforming. That sounds like a flight model criticism instead of asking for a Br adjustment. If you think the flares are not what enables this aircraft to play to it’s strengths you are deluded. They are the corner stone of F-5Cs success at 10.3.
İt even loses rate fight against a Kfir, which is a delta plane btw.
Thats why i said gaijin purposely forcing players for knife fights because current multipath on radar guided missiles are trash.
İ’d say you have no idea what you’re talking about which make sense considering you dont know how to deal with F5E in sustained fight.
Because if you fix flight model where it overperforms, F5C would not need br increase.
Didnt say anything like that, you need to learn how to read and understand.
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If the Kfir is careful not to pull to hard it is just stting on it’s engine.
Who says I have no idea how to deal with F-5? Got to give me something reasonable here or not quote.
What needs to be changed exactly?
In another post you say F-5C is a jack of all tzrades I think I can agree with that, but here you clearly say what I responded to. While I would not necessarily say it overperforms for which I gave a reason already I would argue that the countermeasures are what enables F-5C be a jack of all trades they give it the freedom of movement and room for maneuvering and defensive flying it needs.
As you can see in the quote above you did. Unless you were writing something different to what you were thinking.
Without countermeasures F-5 would be a gimped F-104A/C at a higher BR because people could just swat you out of the sky as needed. Which is why you see Mirage IIIC and other dedicated fighters without countermeasures so rarely. MiG-19 for example.
But since F-5C does have countermeasures you have to do a whole lot more if you want to keep flying often while having better missiels you can not bring them to bear but since you can not F-5C which is better suited to dogfighting than most has you right where it wants you.
How this is not obvious is beyond me.
You know how to quote my old replies but you clearly lack when it comes to reading them.
İ clearly stated F5C is overperforming when it comes to damage model, Ir signature and energy holding at mach 0.90-0.98 but you only decided to quote certain reply which suits your argument better in this case.
İ find quite funny that you’re trying to teach me something i already know, everybody knows countermeasures are essential when it comes surviving at high tier air rb, there is a reason why people riotted and worked so hard to find documents about countermeasure systems on Ja37C before it arrives.
You’re not the only one who knows how high tier gameplay works.
Same goes for F5E, which in this case its more problematic since most F5 players are so arrogant that they will try to dogfight in very aggresive way and unlike Kfir they cant produce energy that fast.
You dont even know how popular delta Wings are and claiming they are not one of the favourite choices tells something about you.
İts becomes even more funny considering some of your most played jets are delta wings actually.
Yet only one of your three points relates to the flight performance you mentioned.
Actually funny is that you stated the opposite of what I was refering to at the time concerning the part of my comment you are taking out of context here.
I can only go from what I see in game. F-5C, A-10 and SU-25 are some of the most played aircraft at top tier Mirage III/5/Kfir are far less common.
There is a surge since Mirage 2000 but he tendency is unchanged.
Yeh Kfir is nice. If only C.2 and C.7 were 10.7 / 11.0 respectively.
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Which is more then enough for a person who has fuctioning brain.
Playing mind games i see, sadly i dont have time for your childish games.
İ clearly stated that delta Wings are more popular then most energy fighters yet you’re talking about A-10 and Su-25 which has no business in dogfight aspects.
F-5C is probably exception in this case since its popularity might even exceeds the F-16’s.
Kfir Canard,J35XS,JA37C,J8B,J7E and Mig21 series are much popular then many fighters at 10.0-11.0.
Likely because there are not that many more aircraft at that exact same Br.
I see we are at the point of trolling now.
It is a difference.
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its flares need to be removed since the ale-40 flare pods were introduced into service a few years after the F5C was removed from service, it only flew a few months in vietnam anyways.
also from the images i see the F5C did not carry aim9Es too, as the wing pylons seem to be used as external fuel tanks
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F-5C flight performance is likely too high. Sustained turn rate is probably overperforming along with the F-5E’s but I cannot find a good EM graph for the F-5A/B/C… if anyone has one please DM me.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hIzLAh45I9sD
After this is fixed for F-5E it should have worse sustained turn rate than the F-5C does in-game…
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No, F-5Cs used CM pods just not in US service. If it’s possible to mount it/use the system then Gaijin will consider it for balance purposes.
F-5C isn’t OP.
It is overperforming though, Gaijin simply refuses to fix some of the older flight models (especially the best selling ones). Currently F-5A is performing as F-5E should and F-5E is performing better than F-20A Tigershark.
Is it over performing? It did get a recent weight addition and isn’t as crazy as it once was, but if you say so.
Is it over powered? Most definitely not.
Having played it for over 300 matches and also playing some other planes at or around it’s BR, I can confidently say it’s not the best fighter out there. A-5C drips on it all day.
Well, here is the F-5E in-game as compared to the F-20A’s real world sustained turn rate chart
“Refuses”, not really around refusal, it’s around not having time to look into minor issues.
Especially because even after it’s “nerfed” if it’s nerfed too much it goes to 10.0 & continues selling.
Why is it so impossible to get a lock onto one? I can lock onto everything just fine but whenever it’s an F5 it’s just impossible.
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