The problem being, with its current BR, the F-1 still has to have much more thought put into playing it than other aircraft at the tier.
…Not to mention, rarely ever sees a downtier given the horde of 10.0-11.0 prems.
I played A-5C and Mirage IIICJ in few days ago because wanted to see current 10.0BR matchmakers but, almost all matches were 10.3-9.3BR.
Also, since Zuni rocket works as flares so, I don’t see any problems for moving up to 10.0BR.
F-4Es & Mig-21Bis’s alone ate F-5Es for breakfast, especially after R-60Ms were added to Mig-21Bis.
yeah, US mains crying that the only plane in the game they can fly wasn’t blatantly OP enough, tanking its stats causing gaijin to lower the BR.
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With the almost non lockable heat signature of F-5s and Extremely easily flared R-60s? You playing the same game?
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Really
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Incorrect reheat temperature isn’t an issue of flares.
In F-5E I had no real issues at 11.0 before some of the 11.7, 12.0 and 12.3 aircraft got added.
F-5E slaps F-4. Sure MiG-21 can ruin your day but is harder to handle and now suffers at 11.0 for some time now itself.
At 10.7 F-5 is decently placed.
Because it designed to be close quarter fighter which is something Phantom series lacks from the beginning.
The thing is if Warthunder environment wasnt pushing every single plane into knife fight F5E wouldnt stand a chance against any advanced Phantoms.
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lol Just lol. F-5E, a transonic jet at sea level… somehow slaps a 49J carrying mach 1.15 sea level jet… lol.
Don’t turnfight F-5Es, ENERGY FIGHT them.
They’re quite literally just a jet version of a Spitfire LF Mk9, not even A6M5 levels of hilarious.
Next you’ll say F-4F was fine at 11.0.
Energy Fight requires certain level of knowledge in this game and many players doesnt know how to do that, thats why delta or planes with instant turn capabilites are much more popular then most energy fighters, F-16 is exception in this case.
Thats why most F4 Phantom players loses against F5E players.
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You mean… I can’t just hold S and win?
Don’t quite get the first part.
F-5 is more of a 109 than a Spitfire.
F-4F at 11.0 is/was cannon fodder.
I played the US and Taiwanese tech tree F-5s when they were 11.0 and did well in them. The US one I had back when F-16 etc. were not in game yet and it was completely fine.
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Here’s the deal tho, did you do better in F-5E than you did Mig-21SMT, Mig-21MF, Mirage 3C, and Mirage 3E?
Cause I do rather equal in all listed which shows a consistency in what is presumably balanced vehicles.
What do I do better in? Saab-35XS for some reason despite it having low fuel, no RWR, and limited flares.
And F-104S & Tornado IDS when they were 10.7, which were my top performing jets outside my ideal playstyle [Sea Vixen] out of any other jets and their BR changes were well deserved.
Granted, I fly jets with afterburners the “same”, with first priority being energy fight, and turnfights left to the things with more thrust/airframe performance over the enemy.
F-5E is good, it’s not F-104S & F-4E good tho.
F-5Es were my meals when they were introduced, and still are. & I never played them cause I knew they were over-BR’d, and only that BR because people turnfight them like people do Venoms or A6M5s.
What do you think?
That would not work for me since I played jets at that Br at different times always with a different situation at that Br.
When you say you are taking a look at what you are better in do you mean stats?
That can be very misleading. You should always judge the aircrafts performance be it 1 on 1 or in the average air match compared to other aircraft.
F-5 was absolute godmode when it was newly introduced. The flight model was crazy.
F-16 is the F-5 of current top tier so to speak. Sure in F-5 it was not possible to chase down every single enemy aircraft but as long as they came after you and your flying was up to the task you were able to beat practically any aircraft that wasnt a Draken.
And?
I’m of course talking about the game while irl Phantom got jumped by older jets while doing low altitude bombing.
No idea how you would create a scenario in which a F-5 would even be around where a F-4 would like to engage it regarding altitude for example.
As I see it in War Thunder as long as flying low renders radar guided missiles useless F-4 will always get slapped by F-5.
F-5E would likely not lose a rate fight against F-4E.
As long as F-5 avoids being hit by a radar guided missile or being damaged in a headon F-4E is dead.
In playstyle, general situation at that Br and comparison to it’s peers F-16 especially F-16A and Netz closely resemble the situation when F-5E, F-4E and the like were top tier.
In between F-5 had to do more defensive flying while the 4th gen jets were a bit much to compete with but now the BR got adjusted.
Most other aircraft at 11.0 or even at 11.3 are obsolete however.
I have no idea what gave you the idea that delta wing aircraft are more popular than others. I’d say the opposite is true. Aircraft with superior instantaneous turning capability are also not necessarily the most sought after.
While 4th gen jets are a matter of their own and mostly depend on how authentic their implementation is or isn’t at lower tiers some aircraft are used more than others for sure but on average energy monsters are usually easier to fly efficiently or are at least rather straight forward in the way they have to be palyed.
I don’t know about overperforming. That sounds like a flight model criticism instead of asking for a Br adjustment. If you think the flares are not what enables this aircraft to play to it’s strengths you are deluded. They are the corner stone of F-5Cs success at 10.3.
İt even loses rate fight against a Kfir, which is a delta plane btw.
Thats why i said gaijin purposely forcing players for knife fights because current multipath on radar guided missiles are trash.
İ’d say you have no idea what you’re talking about which make sense considering you dont know how to deal with F5E in sustained fight.
Because if you fix flight model where it overperforms, F5C would not need br increase.
Didnt say anything like that, you need to learn how to read and understand.
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If the Kfir is careful not to pull to hard it is just stting on it’s engine.
Who says I have no idea how to deal with F-5? Got to give me something reasonable here or not quote.
What needs to be changed exactly?
In another post you say F-5C is a jack of all tzrades I think I can agree with that, but here you clearly say what I responded to. While I would not necessarily say it overperforms for which I gave a reason already I would argue that the countermeasures are what enables F-5C be a jack of all trades they give it the freedom of movement and room for maneuvering and defensive flying it needs.
As you can see in the quote above you did. Unless you were writing something different to what you were thinking.
Without countermeasures F-5 would be a gimped F-104A/C at a higher BR because people could just swat you out of the sky as needed. Which is why you see Mirage IIIC and other dedicated fighters without countermeasures so rarely. MiG-19 for example.
But since F-5C does have countermeasures you have to do a whole lot more if you want to keep flying often while having better missiels you can not bring them to bear but since you can not F-5C which is better suited to dogfighting than most has you right where it wants you.
How this is not obvious is beyond me.