I’ve played it at 11.0, it was unkillable if it didn’t want to die. But you don’t get to control much of the game due to lack of top speed.
The 21bis was completely unplayable most of the time and it’s still 11.0
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Pure speculation; the BR was lowered due to Gaijin monitoring the stats performance of the plane. Not because people whinged and moaned on the forum. Before the BR decrease, it was another dead plane on the very long list at this point.
Without any kind of all aspect missiles, IR or SARH, it really can’t do much when you’re facing things like 29s,16s, 14s and what have you with the whole kit.
You’re right, it doesn’t have to be meta but it wasn’t competitive in an up tier and lets face it, that’s all 11.0 was back then.
Kfir Canard, J35XS, MiG-21SMT/MF… fast deltas that can chase down the F-5E and one circle it. All F-5s struggle in the vertical so inversely even an A5C could out dogfight a F5E if it’s able to draw it into a vertical fight… the F5E isn’t just an insta win like you make it out to be.
I would, if you wanted to learn.
I have a 5.5 K/d ratio with 150~ kills and 28 deaths. I know it’s a good plane at that BR but it’s not the absolute king.
And who contributed to such trash stats?
Unironically anyone who did any of this of this, aka average new US main that got spoonfed since br 1.0. Why run away from mig21? When all you have to do is dodge the nose on 1circle (easiest shit to do), after that it’s out of speed and basically dead. You can outrate and energy trap all of those planes, MF/SMT already has the ultimate handheld premium to worry about and you want them to fight the straight up better version. There is no point to take a vertical, it’s not like it doesn’t have flares.
This plane has no place in 10.7 and that’s my stance, the mig21bis at 11.0 is way worse in the meta than it but it still stays at that place because it will curbstomp lower
Yeah it should be 10.0BR if F-1 is really fine at its BR.
A question that will haunt this game until Gaijin release their collection methodology and decision process. From experience I can say that the F-5E had to work hard to gain position especially when it had no frontal offensive capabilities other than guns. If I was matching up against an F-16a, seeing as it was a plane it could face before the br drop, I wouldn’t gain position at all.
This goes back to my point of learning how to play the game or more accurately, learn the plane you are flying. The M2K suffers from the same issue however it reigned supreme over the Tomcat which had superior rating ability - fighting a F-5 in the horizontal is just suicide unless you can out rate it or out turn it.
Just don’t hold S in a delta and be amazed at what you can fight.
The issue isn’t the plane, it’s BR compression. With the engine nerfs, the MiG-21Bis should be downtiered to 10.7 as well. When it was first released, the extra stages of AB allowed it to practically hover whereas now it’s a bit more realistic? for lack of a better word.
imo It could stay at 11.0BR when it gets AIM9Ls just like Kfir C.2 remedy.
This sounds like a better alternative, although I still don’t think it needs a buff.
Either way, unless Gaijin does a BR 8.3 to 12.3 BR decompression, there is no solution that will satisfy almost all players.
The problem being, with its current BR, the F-1 still has to have much more thought put into playing it than other aircraft at the tier.
…Not to mention, rarely ever sees a downtier given the horde of 10.0-11.0 prems.
I played A-5C and Mirage IIICJ in few days ago because wanted to see current 10.0BR matchmakers but, almost all matches were 10.3-9.3BR.
Also, since Zuni rocket works as flares so, I don’t see any problems for moving up to 10.0BR.
F-4Es & Mig-21Bis’s alone ate F-5Es for breakfast, especially after R-60Ms were added to Mig-21Bis.
yeah, US mains crying that the only plane in the game they can fly wasn’t blatantly OP enough, tanking its stats causing gaijin to lower the BR.
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With the almost non lockable heat signature of F-5s and Extremely easily flared R-60s? You playing the same game?
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Really
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Incorrect reheat temperature isn’t an issue of flares.
In F-5E I had no real issues at 11.0 before some of the 11.7, 12.0 and 12.3 aircraft got added.
F-5E slaps F-4. Sure MiG-21 can ruin your day but is harder to handle and now suffers at 11.0 for some time now itself.
At 10.7 F-5 is decently placed.
Because it designed to be close quarter fighter which is something Phantom series lacks from the beginning.
The thing is if Warthunder environment wasnt pushing every single plane into knife fight F5E wouldnt stand a chance against any advanced Phantoms.
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lol Just lol. F-5E, a transonic jet at sea level… somehow slaps a 49J carrying mach 1.15 sea level jet… lol.
Don’t turnfight F-5Es, ENERGY FIGHT them.
They’re quite literally just a jet version of a Spitfire LF Mk9, not even A6M5 levels of hilarious.
Next you’ll say F-4F was fine at 11.0.
Energy Fight requires certain level of knowledge in this game and many players doesnt know how to do that, thats why delta or planes with instant turn capabilites are much more popular then most energy fighters, F-16 is exception in this case.
Thats why most F4 Phantom players loses against F5E players.
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You mean… I can’t just hold S and win?