Yes, yes they are. Just look at the F-104G for China and the F-104J, Neither get flares. The F-104S didn’t get its historical flares until the F-16s and Mig-29 came out. Meanwhile, the F-5C got a nice unhistorical buff right out of the gate.
It’s not just flares, they choose not to give weapons vehicles could use. Don’t sit here and say some vehicles get unhistorical buffs over others.
Just look how long it took for the G.91Y to get its historical load out.
Correction: Players provided proof of F-104S flares on the bug report website during the time of the F-16s being added.*
There are no fictional weapons on aircraft. None. Japan never operated flares on F-104. It was replaced by F-15 for interception.
So no, F-5A [C] flares are fine.
Ohhh you’re ignoring my post now. Cool.
The F-104J and G COULD use flares. The F-5C never used flares.
They gave flares to the F-104S even thought it was bug reported when the jet came out, which was over 3 years ago.
I’ve also heard the F-5C couldn’t use aim-9Es but I don’t know for sure.
F-5A/C was made to use IR missiles, just only two of them.
E improved that to 4 tho we only see 2 in-game currently.
Bug reports that have evidence get actioned on, regardless of aircraft.
F-104J cannot use countermeasures to anyone’s knowledge.
Again, you’re ignoring my post. So I’m gonna stop reply, they pick and choose what vehicles to give some historical buffs or nerfs.
The F-5C is unhistorical, so they should do it for other aircraft as well.
Or undo all the unhistorical buff/nerfs.
Oh, and it seems they are approving bug reports without evidence nowadays. Just saw one with no proof, just someone saying “hey, this FW190 is climbing too quickly” and the snail approved it.
There’s no such thing as “unhistorical”. There are no historical game modes in WT.
And the loadout is accurate.
Oh cool, then can we get flares on all jets? Or missiles?
What point are you trying to make?
I’m baffled.
The F-5C also never had a flare dispenser in US service. Its exactly the same situation. But one plane gets special treatment, the other one not.
Its similar with F-4F early. 10.3 with no countermeasures. Its almost unplayable vs. these low BRed all aspect AAMs.
Thats simply not fair.
War Thunder is a mixture of historical accuracy and gameplay balance, Flares are an important aspect of high tier jet gameplay as they allow you to nullify IR missiles, taking these away from the F-5c would require it’s BR be lowered substantially to adjust for the massive decrease in effectiveness.
This would cause problems as the F-5c’s flight performance would destroy anything at a BR lower than 9.7, which would be required as the vehicle would be missing it’s flares.
Su-17M4 is missing additional 128 cartridges of countermeasures
Isn’t F-5E the same story? Fictional flares and mavericks.
The F-5E / N had countermeasures in the aggressor role, and it was tested with Mavericks by the USAF.
There are a variety of issues with the F-5E, which can best summed up as;
That as it stands it doesn’t represent any configuration that was investigated by Northrop, but as an amalgamation of best possible characteristics.
The thing is that they couldn’t just pick a variant and stick with it, as it would require significant revision to most aspects regardless of which they actually chose to model, and probably cause a drop in BR.
It seems USAF F-5Es were at least tested with mavericks:
Thats…you can’t be serious.
You think its flight performance would bring it all the way down to 9.7 without flares? The same BR as the G.91YS.
The thing is being flown by new players and still has a win rate of over 60 percent.
The attached files arent viewable to everyone, just staff and the user who submitted the report. Just because you couldn’t see the evidence doesn’t mean it wasn’t on the report.
The Su-17M4 has the correct amount of 256 countermeasures. 8x 32.
@CodyBlues F-5C doesn’t have a win rate of 60% unless you’re a secret Gaijin employee.
G91YS shares the engines of the F-5C tho.
At least they should fix F-5C’s thermal signature. It’s almost impossible to lock them from long distance.
