There was a reason why it was downtiered in the first place.
It’s in the american tree. That’s the only reason. Much like other planes on the same tree they are always lower br despite having the same or better performance than their opponents
China also has a F-5E at the same rating.
At 11.0, it was constantly up tiered with 9Js against all aspects and planes who outperformed it in every metric.
There are planes who are able to deal with the F-5E at 10.7 but it’s easier to complain than to actually learn how to play.
If it was only on the chinaman tree it’s BR wouldn’t be lowered.
At 11.0 it can hold it’s own weight, what do you want it to be? The most meta jet? At 10.7 it outperforms everything except for top speed, which isn’t that big of a deal at that br due to no radar missiles.
Name them all now, I wanna see what bs you’ll come up with
Teach us all here then how to deal with handheld undertiered US planes then
@J_ackal
F-5E was the worst 11.0 in the game when it was 11.0. Then F-4F was the worst after F-5E was made 10.7.
11.0 healed & stopped being so compressed & there were barely any 10.7s until stuff moved.
I’ve played it at 11.0, it was unkillable if it didn’t want to die. But you don’t get to control much of the game due to lack of top speed.
The 21bis was completely unplayable most of the time and it’s still 11.0
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Pure speculation; the BR was lowered due to Gaijin monitoring the stats performance of the plane. Not because people whinged and moaned on the forum. Before the BR decrease, it was another dead plane on the very long list at this point.
Without any kind of all aspect missiles, IR or SARH, it really can’t do much when you’re facing things like 29s,16s, 14s and what have you with the whole kit.
You’re right, it doesn’t have to be meta but it wasn’t competitive in an up tier and lets face it, that’s all 11.0 was back then.
Kfir Canard, J35XS, MiG-21SMT/MF… fast deltas that can chase down the F-5E and one circle it. All F-5s struggle in the vertical so inversely even an A5C could out dogfight a F5E if it’s able to draw it into a vertical fight… the F5E isn’t just an insta win like you make it out to be.
I would, if you wanted to learn.
I have a 5.5 K/d ratio with 150~ kills and 28 deaths. I know it’s a good plane at that BR but it’s not the absolute king.
And who contributed to such trash stats?
Unironically anyone who did any of this of this, aka average new US main that got spoonfed since br 1.0. Why run away from mig21? When all you have to do is dodge the nose on 1circle (easiest shit to do), after that it’s out of speed and basically dead. You can outrate and energy trap all of those planes, MF/SMT already has the ultimate handheld premium to worry about and you want them to fight the straight up better version. There is no point to take a vertical, it’s not like it doesn’t have flares.
This plane has no place in 10.7 and that’s my stance, the mig21bis at 11.0 is way worse in the meta than it but it still stays at that place because it will curbstomp lower
Yeah it should be 10.0BR if F-1 is really fine at its BR.
A question that will haunt this game until Gaijin release their collection methodology and decision process. From experience I can say that the F-5E had to work hard to gain position especially when it had no frontal offensive capabilities other than guns. If I was matching up against an F-16a, seeing as it was a plane it could face before the br drop, I wouldn’t gain position at all.
This goes back to my point of learning how to play the game or more accurately, learn the plane you are flying. The M2K suffers from the same issue however it reigned supreme over the Tomcat which had superior rating ability - fighting a F-5 in the horizontal is just suicide unless you can out rate it or out turn it.
Just don’t hold S in a delta and be amazed at what you can fight.
The issue isn’t the plane, it’s BR compression. With the engine nerfs, the MiG-21Bis should be downtiered to 10.7 as well. When it was first released, the extra stages of AB allowed it to practically hover whereas now it’s a bit more realistic? for lack of a better word.
imo It could stay at 11.0BR when it gets AIM9Ls just like Kfir C.2 remedy.
This sounds like a better alternative, although I still don’t think it needs a buff.
Either way, unless Gaijin does a BR 8.3 to 12.3 BR decompression, there is no solution that will satisfy almost all players.
The problem being, with its current BR, the F-1 still has to have much more thought put into playing it than other aircraft at the tier.
…Not to mention, rarely ever sees a downtier given the horde of 10.0-11.0 prems.
I played A-5C and Mirage IIICJ in few days ago because wanted to see current 10.0BR matchmakers but, almost all matches were 10.3-9.3BR.
Also, since Zuni rocket works as flares so, I don’t see any problems for moving up to 10.0BR.
F-4Es & Mig-21Bis’s alone ate F-5Es for breakfast, especially after R-60Ms were added to Mig-21Bis.
yeah, US mains crying that the only plane in the game they can fly wasn’t blatantly OP enough, tanking its stats causing gaijin to lower the BR.
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With the almost non lockable heat signature of F-5s and Extremely easily flared R-60s? You playing the same game?
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Really
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Incorrect reheat temperature isn’t an issue of flares.