F-5C Flares need to be removed. It is FICTIONAL

Panther2995
Sure, with that Logic i should get M1A1 KVT instead of 105MM, cause you know in real life M1 KVT was actually based on M1A1, not 105MM model.

…With what I’ve said so far, did you really think that was some kind of gotcha? Yes, the M1 KVT should indeed be an M1A1. Gaijin messed up there, too, with their hastiness to use anything but the Battle Rating system for balance, and adding what should be a cosmetic skin for the M1A1 at best as an entire $70 premium. (And I’m not even going to start on why top-tier premiums should never be a thing, and how buying into them rewards terrible business models…)

Once again, as seems to be a pattern for your posts, all edge and zero point…

İm not one who’s constantly complaining about balance decisions on one vehicle while ignoring countless other vehicles that has same treatment.

Your arguments has no point aside from constant cry and double policy, but go on accuse me for doing that.

Why shouldn’t one be dissatisfied when an aircraft meant for wallet warriors gets put at a BR it shouldn’t purely because it got an ahistorical upgrade when it’d do just fine at a lower one without said upgrade, and be an actual representation of its historical self instead?

What’s your actual motive in this? If I’m just, y’know, complaining to complain according to you. Let’s say I take your part so far just as hostilely as you’ve taken mine, and say you’re purely defending the current implemenation of the F-5C because you want to keep your overtooled, ahistorical aircraft in its current state while I’m willing to give up the frankly great R2Y2s (especially V3, my beloved) for the sake of balance/historicity.

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Because unlike your accusitions and claims F-5C doesnt overperform at 10.3 with countermeasures. İt performs good because average person in warthunder doesnt know how to deal with a plane that can do many jobs but not bein best at anything.

its the same reason why people also dont know how to perform at top tier, they dont study their rivals, they dont learn their mistakes and they simply blame other vehicles or people for those mistakes, its simply massive skill issue in %95 case.

Sadly your subjective opinion doesnt mean shit in general, many people will not give up on those vehicles that has same treatment in warthunder environment so therefore it doesnt matter what you’re thinkin.

İts safe to say that Developer team doesnt share the same opinion with you when it comes to balancing vehicles because if they did many vehicles would be much worse then it is now.

Oh, is that why american teams at top-tier are absolutely filled with them, and why most other fighters at-tier have to put vastly more effort into the game to get the same results, especially against an F-5C?
I’m sure you believe the A-10 is perfectly balanced at that BR, too, when in reality all that’s keeping the both of them in their current places is the swarm of players who don’t realize they can flare or do anything other than have a rudder measuring contest. Trust me, having had to deal with these players and fly against them constantly, it gets downright annoying when the slightest bit of competence and press of a button can easily throw a missile off their tail, while when I’m saddled with five of the bloody plane on the same team they don’t even seem to know that…

And once. Again. I support doing the same for every aircraft, tank, and ship that it can be done for. If the dev team had the same opinion as me when it came to balancing, we’d have a much wider BR ceiling and be better off for it, with an actual place for the vehicles ingame made awkward or unusable by current overcompression.

Cause its a high br premium

And why are it, and the A-10, so much more common when there are so many other top-tier premiums? What is the community’s concensus on these aircraft, and just why are they the popular choice, even among American premiums?

Why are the first things that come up just searching it’s name on YouTube…

“Best premium jet money can buy”
“BEST premium to grind USA”
“Legendary Tiny Jet Fighter”
“Your ticket to top-tier jets”
“BEST premium”

I think it just might be in a better spot than a lot of top-tier premiums, y’know? Especially looking at other nations, which get… An F-104 at 11.0 (lol), an 11.3 Phantom which gets to see F-16Cs (lol), and a Mirage with hard-to-use ordnance against its contemporaries…

yeah as the F4s has to fight f16s and the F5c doesn’t have to fight aircraft that are much more advanced then it

Nor does the T-2 Early, really. At 9.7.
Where the 5C should be, in the configuration it actually used.

Edit: Good lord, looking back with the T-2(e) as a reference point… Gaijin had a perfectly good place to put the historical Skoshi Tiger. Where it’d fight jets its rough equal, on a fair field.

Aaaand instead they bumped it up a notch or two and gave it CMs, because why should USA premium buyers be deprived of flares? Those suckers’ll buy anything if it has countermeasures, seekers, and good performance at a nice and favorable tier, after all.

American teams are filled with them cause its one of the best selling premiums and one of the easiest planes you can use at 10.3 thanks to bein jack of all trades and uncompetetive rivals, it has nothing to do with flares.

A-10 Late variant is considering its firepower and ground ordinance which simply trades with speed and agility, oh wait you’re also gonna complain about that because of its Aim-9L’s i guess.

Same goes for many vehicles, this not something special to them, on the other hand putting them at higher br will certainly cause bigger problems then its now.

Well good thing is that developers doesnt share the same cruel opinion you have, otherwise those vehicles should be either removed or sits at so much lower br that they will cause unexpected problems.

Br compression is the main problem, not some xyz premium vehicles.

So it’s a best-selling premium because it’s one of the easiest planes to use, a jack of all trades (most of which, it’s better than average at), and has “uncompetitive rivals” (i.e., planes that mostly stick to history if they’re not nerfed in terms of armaments to for balance)…

And really? Speed? Who on earth plays the A-10 for speed and? It’s a missile bus with 9Ls at 10.0, where, y’know, most other aircraft don’t get all-aspect, 30G AAMs PLUS more than enough agility (not much, all things considered) to turn into most threats it can spot in time to send an all-aspect missile their way.

How is it cruel to want accuracy? And what.
…Y’know, the difference between the F-5C and most vehicles is. It actually. Takes effort to get them, rather than mommy’s credit card? You generally have to learn the game a good bit more?

…And on that last point, you do realize two things can be bad at the same time, right? Certain premium vehicles (2S38, F-5C, SU-25k/A-10A, Des Moines) exacerbate the current compression issues by being placed incredibly favorably, near to the top enough that people will want to buy them and skip the grind but just far enough away they won’t get stomped by the actual top-tier players.

it worse in ground if the wallet warrior doesn’t have a line up but in air its not that much of problem

The biggest crime here is that this handheld piece of shit still hasn’t gotten it’s damage model fixed since it got added. Lightest mach 1 jet in game yet it tanks more than french mbts do

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So… you guys want to make 9.7BR F-5C and face against F-86F-25 and Yak-23?
Fuck no

No but it needs to fuck off up to 10.7 and the E variant back to 11.0

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That is the biggest issue for countless vehicles. Not enough BR ranges to spread things out enough to maintain reasonable parity.

F-5C needs to be at least 10.7 and the E back to 11.0.

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No

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…The faster Mitsubishi T-2 at 9.7, with AIM-9Js, is just fine at that tier? Are you OK?

There was a reason why it was downtiered in the first place.