F5C used to be the toughest plane before Su25 and A10 came out.
2 Likes
Until it gets up-tiered to 11.0… Gaijin isn’t going to do that to one of its premiums.
I know exactly why you want the F-5C to be dropped to 10.0, and it’s so you can dominate matches even more.
F-5C had the options for those flares, thus it got them.
Non-premium F-5As have their add-on flares as well.
It would be fine at 10.3 even without flares.
But that’s not the point.
The real issue is that we have plenty of vehicles in game that could potentially get some buffs but don’t because they aren’t “historical”
If you pick and choose when to be historical and when not to be it just looks like your picking favorites.
14 Likes
No one is picking & choosing, no one.
You will not find an instance where a vehicle lacks non-weaponry that they got IRL or could get IRL.
Every aircraft that can get countermeasures has them, as far as we know.
1 Like
Well… The Tornados have a fraction of what they should have. A lot are missing ECM. But for the most part you are correct. I think though the flares on the F5C could be widely debated and they could have gone either way. I think giving it CMs was a finacial decision. Without CMs they wouldnt have sold as many as they have?, its a common jet, widely used. Would it have been without those CMs? We’ll never know, but it certainly was a thought someone had.
Too late to fix now though, what we now need is BR decompression and then have the F5 move relatively speaking a little higher
2 Likes
Tornados have their accurate flare amount.
What they don’t have is accurate chaff amount, but that requires a fundamental change to how countermeasures work in WT, which will also allow us to fire chaff & flares separately.
Just wait patiently cause this stuff is in development.
ECM flat out isn’t in the game either.
BTW countermeasures are also on the Chinese F-5A & American F-5A, same ones.
Countermeasures actually came to the American F-5A first before the F-5C.
1 Like
Yes, yes they are. Just look at the F-104G for China and the F-104J, Neither get flares. The F-104S didn’t get its historical flares until the F-16s and Mig-29 came out. Meanwhile, the F-5C got a nice unhistorical buff right out of the gate.
It’s not just flares, they choose not to give weapons vehicles could use. Don’t sit here and say some vehicles get unhistorical buffs over others.
Just look how long it took for the G.91Y to get its historical load out.
6 Likes
Correction: Players provided proof of F-104S flares on the bug report website during the time of the F-16s being added.*
There are no fictional weapons on aircraft. None. Japan never operated flares on F-104. It was replaced by F-15 for interception.
So no, F-5A [C] flares are fine.
Ohhh you’re ignoring my post now. Cool.
The F-104J and G COULD use flares. The F-5C never used flares.
They gave flares to the F-104S even thought it was bug reported when the jet came out, which was over 3 years ago.
I’ve also heard the F-5C couldn’t use aim-9Es but I don’t know for sure.
6 Likes
F-5A/C was made to use IR missiles, just only two of them.
E improved that to 4 tho we only see 2 in-game currently.
Bug reports that have evidence get actioned on, regardless of aircraft.
F-104J cannot use countermeasures to anyone’s knowledge.
1 Like
Again, you’re ignoring my post. So I’m gonna stop reply, they pick and choose what vehicles to give some historical buffs or nerfs.
The F-5C is unhistorical, so they should do it for other aircraft as well.
Or undo all the unhistorical buff/nerfs.
Oh, and it seems they are approving bug reports without evidence nowadays. Just saw one with no proof, just someone saying “hey, this FW190 is climbing too quickly” and the snail approved it.
6 Likes
There’s no such thing as “unhistorical”. There are no historical game modes in WT.
And the loadout is accurate.
Oh cool, then can we get flares on all jets? Or missiles?
What point are you trying to make?
8 Likes
I’m baffled.
1 Like
The F-5C also never had a flare dispenser in US service. Its exactly the same situation. But one plane gets special treatment, the other one not.
Its similar with F-4F early. 10.3 with no countermeasures. Its almost unplayable vs. these low BRed all aspect AAMs.
Thats simply not fair.
5 Likes
War Thunder is a mixture of historical accuracy and gameplay balance, Flares are an important aspect of high tier jet gameplay as they allow you to nullify IR missiles, taking these away from the F-5c would require it’s BR be lowered substantially to adjust for the massive decrease in effectiveness.
This would cause problems as the F-5c’s flight performance would destroy anything at a BR lower than 9.7, which would be required as the vehicle would be missing it’s flares.
1 Like
Su-17M4 is missing additional 128 cartridges of countermeasures
4 Likes
Isn’t F-5E the same story? Fictional flares and mavericks.