The comment was not about the missile itself looking at it in a vacuum.
I was also not saying that T-2/F-1 or even F-104 could never ever under no circumstance get close to anything that flies.
I made that point myself as well.
I was talking about anything but missiels when I replied to you since you seemed focused on missiles entirely. What a surprise.
You overlook the finer points made or implied in a sentence most of the time which leads to pointless back and forth going around in a cricle leading nowhere.
Yes, and i looked at the points you made and i thought some of the points mischaracterized the difference, or ability of missiles in question and in some comments about the jet in question.
As such i commented on them.
Well looking at my first response to you, you were explicitly using missiles as part of your argumentation.
And looking at what i responded to:
I looked at, thought some of the points were silly and as such commented on them.
Edit:
No i explicitly responded to what were “finer points” About the Aim-9P/J and 9E in responses you made to me saying
Here as in here on the F-5C compared to AIM-9P on T-2.
The bits about the missiles in the first post were made to highlight what F-5C has beyond missiles i.e. why AIM-9E is good enough on it.
Damn man.
We are still going in a circle and you still put words in my mouth or are not reading properly.
Idk why the upgrade 9P/J represents had to be downplayed so hard (edit: hard as in it was contested even tho one could own the fact without any consequence to the overall conclusion)
Okay then if you never made that claim ive completely missunderstood
Sorry
Insight:
Spoiler
Words i considered to downplay or otherwise mischaracterize the differences.
Hopefully that gives some insight as most of these were the responses to me implying that the 9P/J offered significant uplifts allowing for way more oppertunities that the 9E
T-2 CAN pull more AOA, doesn’t mean you should pull more AOA.
If you limit your AOA to that of an F-5C you perform similarly while still out accelerating it; there’s a good reason I never dogfought genuine threats in the F-5A for China.
The chaff pod historical report is less than half a year old, and it takes time to develop unique countermeasures that no one is going to use.
I see what you mean but but there was always the scope of Br range, countermeasures most efficient use possible and the like.
For F-5 missiles are a sidearm at that Br especially as long as it has countermeasures itself.
In a clean comparison the 9P is of course as you said the superior missile.
Until Mirage 2000, MiG-29 and F-16 there were few planes F-5E could not dominate in a full uptier.
While carrying only 2 AIM-9J. 10.7 is a blessing for the late F-5s of course.
That is why I kept saying I was not looking at 9E/P comared to each other in a vacuum without the aircraft they are being mounted on or the Br range to consider.
F-5 would slap T-2 in a rate fight I’m sure. You can pull hard enough in T-2 but even with it’s superior thrust it’s aerodynamics are not designed for the job as F-5s aerodynamics are.
Good thing War Thunder players don’t rate fight.
I had to remind myself how much F-5A bled speed so I test flew my Chinese one, and it’s just as bleedy as T-2.
Yeah i can sorta see where you were comming from if i take the responses as if they were allways packaged with the plane. Tho that was not very obvious to me at the very least