Honestly it’s a fine aircraft even through it being underpowered, I just personally think others should go up. I have no issues with the plane itself - aside from the SkyTrash never ever working lol, it’s AIM-9Gs are good but it should definitely get 9L and HMD if it wants to stay at 12.0, otherwise give it 9L, HMD, AIM-7F/M and maybe even BOL and move it to 12.3, I know that would be historically inaccurate but what isn’t now?
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- Yes, it is. As one of F-4JUNK’s owners, I agree with those points.
- Your topic will be closed because there are some duplicate ones which discuss the same things.
Yeah, F-4J and F-4S from the USN have fewer problems than ours. :|
lol Slats HMD, AIM-9H and AIM-7F
Not on the F-4J
No but the F-4S has them, the F-4J also doesn’t get the H iirc, but still
Traded all of those for the M61 gunpod.
With a joke, I think RAF got scammed by USN about buying a used F-4J.
At least Gaijin managed to update F-4J(UK)'s RWR to better one at some point. :/
IIRC, it wasn’t detected the radar ping from MiG-21/23 at all, and was inferior to F-4J/S on that parts too.
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yeah I just wish they’d give it a small ahistorical buff, like just something small like BOLs, EVEN JUST ADDING AIM-9L
I am fine with historical AIM-9L, which will compensate for AIM-7F of USN.
BOL feels a bit too much if we consider direct USN counterparts or MiG-21Bison in higher BR, also have 60CM.
I heard we had the option to equip Skyflash SuperTEMP in F-4K/M(FG/FGR ones) irl, but that feels a bit off topic if we concentrate on F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3
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The j(uk) also could use supertemp from what ive heard, though i haven’t got anything solid
RAF Phantoms operated with 9L and the launch rail on FGR.2 is the same as F4J, all sidewinders use a common launch rail so there’s no reason it can’t get 9L.
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They definitely did, the USN stripped out the HMD of 6 of them, the rest never had them
^ Yeah, its definitely unjustified how these things were stripped of any useful capabilities before ever being shipped over to the UK, but there are still plenty of historically accurate buffs that gaijin could give it nonetheless.
It baffles me how this thing is still so bad, i’ve never seen it praised, and i’ve seen countless posts going into detail on how it could be fixed / why it needs to be fixed but never a single even acknowledgement by gaijin on it. Not one for conspiracy theories, but it seems like a clever play from gaijin to convince (force) people who bought the F4 back when it was useful to take the hit on purchasing the Mig-21 Bison, otherwise the british air grind is absolutely painstaking.
It requires 4 tech tree lines fully unlocked up to Rank VII to unlock a rank VIII plane for the UK, where as other nations like the USSR only have to do 2 if you pick wisely. Doing that without buying any premiums seems impossible, and even with buying the F-4 in its current state its no help at all. Absolutely any buff to this thing would be amazing, even if tiny because it’s ridiculous just how underpowered it is for its BR.
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Bumping
Hello everyone,
I recently purchased the UK F-4J with Golden Eagles and, after playing it for a while, I feel that it is noticeably weaker than the American F-4S, despite both aircraft sitting at the same battle rating.
One of the main problems, in my opinion, is the missile loadout. The UK F-4J does not have particularly strong missiles for its BR, which puts it at a disadvantage against many aircraft it regularly faces. Compared to the F-4S, which benefits from better overall capabilities and missile performance, the difference feels quite significant.
At the same time, the US tech tree also has an F-4J variant that feels very similar, yet performs better , because it does have AIM-7F while staying at the same BR.
Because of this, I wanted to ask the community:
- Are there any plans to improve the UK F-4J (for example, better missiles or performance changes)?
- Is a BR reduction being considered?
- Do other players feel that the UK F-4J is balanced at its current BR?
Thanks for reading.
You got scammed. /j
Because it really is noticeably weaker.
Not only without AIM-7F
also without VTAS HMS, and a napalm bomb
‘Serious Take’ : Because Gaijin hate British.
If we consider the neglect duration which we had on F-4J(UK), I don’t think we ever gonna get any kind of improvement.
Well…
Maybe we could ‘theorically’ can get
-Skyflash SuperTEMP, which I heard is compatible with other British Phantom variants / or AIM-7F, which they used when they were in USN *[TMI: F-4J(UK) is EX-USN F-4J, which was bought from USN because of the Falklands]
-AIM-9L, which we used IRL
-and a napalm bomb, which USN F-4J can use, and can help the tech tree grind.
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i really got scammed, i wish i looked it up early
i hope they will do something about it because it really is so so so bad
Ehhh it’s my most played vehicle, while it is a lot weaker than other 12.0s including the F-4M and F-4K it’s still usable as a vehicle in custom battles 👍
They should give the Phantom F.3 SuperTEMP Skyflash missiles, AIM-9Ls, and increase its countermeasure count like other British Phantoms. The FGR.2 could also receive the same loadout, while the FG.1 could be moved down to 11.7 and keep its current loadout so it’s not the exact same as the FGR.2.
I submitted a bug report about it, but it’s been rejected three times now, which is pretty frustrating. That’s why I ended up making a forum post instead.
The Phantom F.3 Junk is actually the reason I joined the forums in the first place.
Now’s the perfect time to talk about it as much as possible since the BR changes and new armaments could be happening soon.