I just currently got the F-4J for USA and realised just how painfull it really is. youre getting constantly getting slammed to the other side of the map by all aspect 30-40g missiles, by planes that are the same or even a lower br than you, and not to mension that you just have 18g rear aspect AIM9-G’s, whilst i’m sure that the AIM7-F wil not be a problem, you still getting tossed around like youre nothing. Just for comparison, the F-4F KWS for germany at 11.7 has 4 AIM-120a’s and 4 AIM9L/I’s. The 20mm autocannon that is on this thing is also not the greatest, its extremely unaccurate an the damage it puts out is also very minimal. It even has the same engines as the F-4E at 11.3, which were already not very fast. The F-4J in my eyes just seems to be an F-4E with a better radar, AIM7-F’s, a worse gun and no large caliber countermeasures, al at the cost of 0.7 increase in br, which to me is just to much. My suggestion is to either lower it to 11.7, give it a better missiles, or move other things up in br that already should’nt be there in the first place.
(english is not my first language so sorry if there are some mistakes in my grammer)
This is the only solution. F-4J is already pretty overpowered when played well into 11.0s so it doesnt need to go lower. I agree its in a problematic state tho
Its 13.0 not 11.7
wdym u get 4 SARH missiles, HMD, PD radar. If u think F-4J is bad try MIG23-MLD
23MLD is better for 11.7 than the F-4J is for 12.0. In fact I’d always take the MLD in a 1v1 between those two, but I recognize air RB is not a 1v1 enviroment primarily.
all-aspect IRs
R-24Rs are really good short range SARH, some of the best below 8km
Large Calibre flares where most have standard
IRST
Faster than most aircraft at that BR
Can turn fight well if you use manual wing sweep
Mig-23MLD is a powerhouse at 11.7 and I do question why its not 12.0 these days. Especially with weaker airframes at a higher BR
yeah but u get only two R24r and sometimes they don’t work. Idk man I actually hate that thing(probably skill issue)
Easy. The radar is too bad and the RWR is too bad. It’s dogfighting ability also relies on the user understanding wing sweep and utilizing it correctly. At 12.0 it would be like F-4J, forgotten because there’s just better stuff. The answer is decompression, as always.
Perhaps, but when you look at stuff like the Phantom FGR2, I really wish it had its IRL 9Ls at 12.0.
And in SB… Mig-23MLD is at 11.3 which is the same BR as the Sea Harrier…
maybe they can give R73 for mig23
Sure, if you want it at 12.3
probably because those things I just mentioned matter even more in sim
they shouldn’t, it was never fitted operationally
MTI beats SRC (let alone IRST)
Super-sonic vs sub-sonic
SARH vs none
LCMs vs CMs
Pretty much in every single aspect, the Mig-23MLD destroys the Sea Harrier
I am not comparing the two jets you mentioned.
wdym later models can even carry r77 s.
never fitted operationally, all 1 offs
this also included your r73
It was a mockup to show what upgrades can be added to a MiG-23 if a country were to purchase one. Just becauce you can put a missile on a plane doesn’t mean it is capable of actually firing it or even flying with it.
just like R27R1 s with F-14IRAF
whilst looking at the f4f my matchmaking was on ground so that was probably why it said 11.7 and not 13.0