I’ve been beating them into the floor with no issues in my 4S today, having all that extra engine power means very little with how good sparrows track now.
It is true and it is something that the magic 2 could not do. My target was somewhat slower than me but definetly not in a stall.
With magic 2, he could just have kept running from me while thanks to the 9H i was able to get the kill.
A bit off topic but I do think Gaijin can do a much better job of teaching people how radars work, how different countermeasures work, how different irccm works etc. and teaches people how to counter them. I wager most players don’t hang around in discords or the forums to ask questions or watch content creators so how would a random know to notch + chaff?
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https://wiki.warthunder.com/Airborne_radars
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Air-to-air_missiles
Except they do exactly that and do teach notching too
I agree.
BTW, how to counter R-73/Magic 2: just flare 2 times
Because you’re facing players who have no idea how to use their shiny new premium.
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It fits fine at 12.0 until BRs are increased again. It’s comparable to the F-16A, will win dogfights against it in the first couple turns and then lose in extended dogfights. It has the same load out, 6x9Ls, or an alternate 4x9Ls and 1x7F, with the same great radar, good RWR and similar A2G capacity. I don’t really see a need for it to move down. It will probably stay at 12.0 while the F-16A moves to 12.3 once BRs are expanded to 13.0, no need to downtier it ahead of time.
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I think he means that the missile travels 10km to hit the target, not that you fire rear aspect at someone 10km away from you
That’s up to you.
If you’d like a undertiered US premium may I suggest the F-5C? Or A-10A? The A-6 Tram is quite nice this time of year.
everything usa has is undertiered in air
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what do you mean take off? they don’t even make it half way down the runway before one of them kills each other with the guns.
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doesnt matter, it wont hit anyways
Wym “New” F4S
Most still do that, especially in Sim
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idk what u\Nowel_ is arguing then.
All I’m saying is that the F-20s BR is statistically positioned to be inferior and paying players will have to hope for favourable matchmaking to get the most out of what it offers.
Keep playing the F-20 if you own it.
Stats will end up showing it should be 11.7.
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Odds are you’re seeing a bunch of new people who don’t know what the hell they’re doing in the F-20.
if piloted remotely competently should it absolutely wreck an F-4 in any engagements. The F-20 is also a very different aircraft from the F-5E or especially the F-5C. It’s faster, pulls more, has better energy retention and perhaps most importantly it carries some very good kit.
I really hope otherwise, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Gaijin shoved it at 11.7 and we had another busted premium at a BR where it has no business being at.
to be fair F16As should be 12.3
How so?
I’ve had a few lvl 100s try and force me into a dogfight, which I respond with “woe be upon ye, 6 AIM-7Fs and HMD radar slewing”.
Yeah if I try and rate fight them I’m going to loose, but thats pretty much the only time I’ve ever been threatened by them, which should be no surprise.
The 7M toting F-20s do pose an actual viable threat, but once again, they have 2 sparrows and thats it, unless you leedle into the joust, both aircraft are going to fire on one another at the same range, and both will loose track if either plane goes cold with chaff.
Where I’ve found the 4S to have a massive advantage is after the initial joust, and this applies to a lot of other aircraft at the BR, not just the F-20. The 7F with the PD changes sub 5 miles is a menace if you have a HMD.
The general engagement I’ve had with F-20s goes a bit like this.
Both of us lock at around 20 miles,
send a sparrow,
neither sparrow connects,
F-20 lawnmows harder,
I crank to a side and swap to HMD ACM,
F-20 fires 9L, flared,
F-20 passes behind has, way more speed than me and a large return to target,
I HMD lock them mid return, fire 7F,
Impact them mid return to target at around 3 ish miles
Mig-23s have been downing the F-20s in a very similar way, but frankly, I see them as more of a threat than the F-20s as of late because the R-27 and R-24 with the auto radar switching are tracking extremely well even through chaff.
Busted? You do realize Kurnass 2000 and Viggen D are 11.3 right?