I can’t see why the F-16A ADF has to be the same BR as the F-16C in GRB. Sure, they both get AMRAAMs, but the ADF has literally no ground ordinance and lacks the 9ms. It should have stayed 12.0 or only gone up to 12.3, especially when there are vehicles like the F-4F KWS, AV-8B+, F-14B, Sea Harrier FA2, and the JAS37DI all sitting at 12.0 with Fox 3 missiles and some sort of ground ordinance. The Tornado F.3 Late fills the same role as the ADF (no ground ordinance), and it is 12.0 as well.
all fox-3 starts at 13.0 in ARB
The only way the BR goes back is if AIM-120s are removed.
F-4F, AV-8B+, Sea Harrier FA2, and JAS37Di are not F-16s.
F-14B is obviously not an F-16 and it’s obvious your post is just ragebaiting with that comparison.
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It’s tricky, on one hand you are right. WIth no CAS ability and purely as CAP, then in theory you could directly compare the F-16A ADFs to those other Fox-3 CAP aircaft. The tricky bit though comes from the fact the F-16 will beat all of them in a guns only dogfight and the GRB maps are tiny, often purely WVR combat.
I cant think of a strictly speaking direct equivalent to the F-16A ADF to compare BR too (Fox-3 slinger, good in WVR with no A2G). 12.7 I agree is probably too high, but 12.3 is probably the best you can do based upon aircraft like the Mig-29SMT
At the same time, you could argue the F-16A ADF is on par to the Gripen A and the Belgium F-16A (though only Fox-2s, they are IRCCM) with that theatre of mostly WVR… but again, its tricky. Theyve not made it easy with the massive compression
I don’t play GRB at this BR often, what is at 12.0 for air to air that the F-16 can compare to? Is this fair?
Almost all of these have bad ground ordinance and are far worse in air to air than you are.
The Tornado F3 Late is a far worse plane than the ADF in air to air.
Notable airframes would be, most of the ARB 13.0 Fox-3 Slingers, Mig-29G, Gripen A. Belgium F-16A
F-16A ADF has no A2G at all. So that is irrelevant in this case. As for A2A… In terms of a dogfight, you are outclassed by the Gripen A and F-16A with Aim-9Ms. In terms of BVR… you are on par with most of the Fox-3 slingers, though… they arent all that great in GRB… maps are too small, there is too much terrain and you cant use them against helis 99% of the time and I seem to find myself dealing with them more than anything else in top tier CAP at the moment.
The question really comes down to what is better for the relatively small, WVR arena that GRB tends to become an F-16A with Aim-9L and Aim-120 or an F-16A/Gripen A with Aim-9Ms.
If nothing else, the F-16A ADFs probably shouldnt be at the same BR as the F-16C/F-16A OCU with both Aim-9Ms and Aim-120s and good CAS and should be 12.3.
Though top tier ground compression makes everything a mess
- MiG-29G certainly does not have fox3s, 2. These do not compare to the ADF in air to air, though ironically I’d say the 29G gets the closest.
Yes.
You’re superior… considering the rest of them at 12.0 are all the bad airframe fox3 users and you are most certainly not one of them.
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Main issue
Im talking about GRB, and the F-14A has Fox-3 and 12.7 ARB.
If being an F-16 is an issue, then why is the F-16A with ground ordinance only 12.0? It is good in a dogfight, so the AMRAAMs shouldn’t make a difference. The ADF is literally useless at 12.7; I might as well bring the F-16C or the F/A-18C, both of which have ground-attack ordnance and more countermeasures.
If you are in a gun-only dogfight in GRB, you are playing the game wrong; you have missiles and a radar for a reason. If someone can get in close and catch you off guard, then they will likely win anyway. You shouldn’t base balancing on a hypothetical that no one in their right mind would experience. And like I said in the original post, I would be fine with 12.3, but the fact that the ADF the same as the F-16C makes it legitimately useless.
AMRAAMs are an anti-air weapon equivalent to the new SPAA, and in the air where it can’t die to tanks.
An AMRAAM equipped F-16 is more dangerous to CAS than the old SPAA is, and as dangerous as the new SPAA if not a bit more.