F-16 I wrong empty weight
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/O0Cgvd4GHMlb
Hello, the report is forwarded to Developer already.
PIDS is based on air-to-ground weapons pylon, it is unlikely that air-to-air weapons can be carried.
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Why? It’s still uses NATO standard lugs and is compliant with MIL-STD-1760
Nothing should stop a LAU-129 (AIM-9 / AIM-120 Launch rail) from being mounted there, the only reason not to would be for ground clearance concerns during an emergency landing.
But it’s more than able to mount a GBU-31
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F-16’s LAU-129 AMRAAM launch rails aren’t attached on suspension lugs, they’re nested onto little AAM stub pylons that bolt onto the wing in place of the bomb or fuel pylons. So it’s either/or when it comes to having pylons that can carry AAMs, or carry bombs.
Naval/Marines aircraft have various adapters that will fit LAU-127 launch rails in to MAU/BRU bomb ejectors, but LAU-127s aren’t used on F-16s.
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Because PIDS is based on an air-to-ground pylon.
Additionally from Manufacter,
F-16 Pylon Integrated Dispensing System (PIDS+): Each pylon contains three UV missile warning sensors and two chaff/flare magazines. Full weapons carrying capability is retained
So again, no additional capabilities are gained while using PIDS, current capabilities are retained, so air-to-ground pylon-related only.
Those pylons are also used for A2A weapon systems.
So its capable carrying A2A weapons since its capability retained.
PIDS is based on air-to-ground weapon pylon. After installing it, capabilities for weapons is retained. (air-to-ground weapons)
How do you come to the conclusion that it can have air-to-air capabilities?
Simple
PIDS uses third pylon which is also used for A2A weapon systems, same pylon that is also capable of carrying A2G munitions. Unless Gaijin made a mistake on positions (which they didnt) and iirc there is also report that proves that PIDS can be usable with A2A weapon systems.
Just because PIDS is used on the same station as other air-to-air weapons does not mean it can use them, your logic is flawed.
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PDF stands full weapon capability is retained, how come my logic is flawed?
It didnt stated A2G capabilities are retained only, it stated that full weapon capabilities retained which includes A2A weapon system as well.
Seems like your logic is flawed in this case.
I will repeat it another time, hopefully you can understand this time.
PIDS is based on air-to-ground pylon, yes the document says full weapons capabilities are retained related to this. ( air-to-ground weapons )
PIDS on air-to-ground pylon
How do you exactly want to fit LAU-129 on an air-to-ground pylon?
LAU-129 being on the right, PIDS on the left
Or perhaps you have images of PIDS installed on air-to-air pylon?
I patiently wait for your answer.
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You do realise the PIDS is based on the air-to-ground pylon which is designed to hold ejectors like MAU-12, BRU-32, BRU-57 etc. and not launchers like the LAU-129 which is required for the AMRAAM? Can you show me a photo of these large pylons being able to hold the LAU-129?
Im just simply stating what manufecturer claim, they clearly says all weapon systems capabilities are retained and there is not a single sentence that states it was for A2G munitions only.
Now surely there is not a photo that shows A2A weapons mounted on PIDS pylon, so its either manufecturer didnt explicity stated capabilities or Air Force just didnt use A2A weapons with PIDS.
The pylon is totally replaced by the same kind of pylon as the 2nd pylon whenever AAMs are to be carried the 3rd pylon position.
The LAU-129 launcher for AMRAAM doesn’t have an interface that will join it to a pylon designed to carry a MRU/BRU bomb release unit, only this small replacement pylon
Another launcher would have to be cleared for the F-16 in order for it to carry AMRAAM on any other kind of pylon.
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In this case certain sentence can cause misunderstanding.
Anyway thanks for the explanation.
one question tho, if A2G capabilities retained shouldnt AGM65 be capable with PIDS pods?
It’s physically impossible to attach the LAU-129 and derivatives to a pylon like this is the tldr and they use much narrower and specialised pylons that are designed specifically for them to attach to
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Oh i understood already, what bothers me is that why AGM65 cannot be carried by PIDS pods ingame since capabilties retained.
The AGM-65 blocks the countermeasure buckets on the pylon is the only explanation I can think of but it should be able to carry a singular AGM-65 since that doesn’t create clearance issues.
I mean if they added GBU-53 it wouldn’t matter since you can carry 4 per pylon and they have better range and guidance
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