and i don’t how that part would be relevant?
Gaijin adding/changing Bombs or giving SEM to aircraft makes them to return from full spaded to not spaded.
This poll is not about ADF in general but specifically about the Italian ADF.
Did you read the first post?
Feel free to open your own poll for the American ADF, or any other country, but this post concerns the Italian one. Is that clear now?
Nothing personal, but I’d like to keep the topic focused. The armament of the F-16 ADF used by the Italian Air Force.
People can’t always bring in unrelated subjects into specific topics; constant comparisons only create confusion and derail discussions.
You’ve already made too much fuss over a plane that doesn’t even concern you.
i’m sorry but this concerns everyone,…
1st because you’ll send an outdated aircraft to 13.7+
2nd because it would simply be compared to his “US-brother”
3rd because Nothing in this game concerns only some people,… as those will fight with/Versus OTHER countries.
so AGAIN: ITALY mains are not the only to be able to talk over this.
if it doesn’t fits you, too bad,… expression rights are all over this forum.
now, feel free to contact a moderator if you would like,… yet i was on topic, until you entered that sweet power trip over your poll-thread, in which what you want is no opposition.
the F-16A ADF,… fitted with AIM-120C (that we don’t have yet in game), would be Over BR’ed and simply become an even more Cannon Fodder.
where the only solutions lies into Decompression of the whole game.
as i’m also assuming that EF-2000 is close by and would be introduced behind that F-16A ADF
PS: just watching your “impressive knowledge” of the F-16A ADF Blk15 in game wise:
2 death 2 kills in 2 match.
and you tell me that i’m wrong looking at my stats, from the “US Brother”?
bro at least i spaded a F-16A ADF, with a 1.397 KD
looking at others aircraft you have in all other nations, from Rank 5 to 8 - you’re average KD is below 0.3 - reaching a top of 0.6 in Saggitario 2
don’t talk to me about how i’m unfit to talk over this aircraft bro,… you’ve no more rights than me nor i do
What we could do is add the Block 10, Italy had 4 of them, they didn’t have any SARH or ARH missiles, but it would be a good excuse to give the ADF AMRAAMS, since it’s always the second aircraft in rank 7 that gets the Fox-3 in any nation. So we’d put the Block 10 after the F-104S.ASA and then move the ADF up.
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They are not the same at all. the Italian ADFs were a lend lease in the 2000s (Peace Caesar), they were heavily modified from the base ADF having TWS, amraam (no sparrow capability, the guiding system was removed before arriving in italy), aim-9l/i-1. In game the italian ADF is historically inaccurate, it’s known since its introduction. if you base your knowledge on warthunder you should first check wether is a WT-frankenstein or a real thing.
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this comment is beyond stupid. sorry. at 13.0 the ADF has no potential and to playability, moreover it would go to 13.3 not 13.7
I could potentially see it going to 13.7 if the new AIM120Cs come out and it receives them which gives it the edge in terms of weapons over F16C although if it’s just AIM120A then 13.3 will be sufficient, even 13.0 will be okay since J8F holds PL12, a great radar, rwr, HMD, PL8 (python 3) and the HMD will make compensation for less manoeuvrable making them the same BR would make sense especially as even if getting down tiered the IRIAF F14 will still be superior in terms of range.
If it recieves AIM-120B or C-5 like suggested?
That’s 13.7 14.0 instantly.
AIM-120B are slightly but no different to A variants and F-16C with AIM-120A’s sits at 13.7
AIM-120C-5 aren’t in the game, and are fairly better than current → 14.0 instant.
AIM-9L/i are giving IRCCM, which is already the reason why the belgian F-16A is sitting 13.3 (AIM-9M)
So it would instantly go 13.7/14.0
And for the rest of your commentary, you’ve failed to see that i was speaking of in-game experience, due to having the exact same experience from the US one, as they’re the same in-game wise.
(As the thread author was judging my in-game experience, saying i didn’t own the Italian ADF)
Tbh, J-8F is clearly subpar radar wise.
And PL-12 are considered worst missiles in all Fox-3 available in the game.
What are you talking about? J8F has a radar comparable to that of F16 as it is constructed in 2003, PL12 is among the best ARH missiles just shy of AIM120, the acceleration is still a bit broken but other wise it is pretty on par with AIM120.
The j8’s radar is fine, and the pl12’s are also fine. The worst fox 3 is the r77.
Unfortunately, our request doesn’t get addressed, no response in the feedback thread about Italian F-16ADF, instead it gets br change as other F-16s.
Now there is even less hope that Gaijin will listen to Italian community.
PS Ariete and Ariete PSO get RoF increase to keep them at high br, first DM53, next RoF, they can’t just get lower br… I’ll never understand Gaijin’s decisions.
The questions asked were, 1. will it get 9LI-1, 2. will AIM-7M be removed, 3. will it get FLIR and ground armament. (This is response from Smin)
I’m very glad that, after all, they decided to put the AIM-120s on the ADF. We just needed to ask whether to use the B or the C5. Anyway, the post/poll in question stirred up some controversy from the usual dudes who hate Italy… which is why I closed the poll — something that disappointed me, since we were talking about a historically used weapon.
On the other hand, I only made the poll — the entire Italian community wanted AIM-120s for the ADF back when the AMRAAMs were introduced in the game.
Regarding your third question: to my knowledge there’s only one book that mentions the ADFs being upgraded and capable of using a laser pod. That said, they could use the basic armament. Some Air National Guard strike wings were equipped with ADFs — you’d have to ask some American experts about that. I don’t remember which state or states’ ANG units used the ADF; I’ll have to check, but right now I’m on vacation at the beach and WT is the last thing on my mind until the end of the next two weeks. I’ll look it up when I’m back.
Just for reference, I grabbed (from the internet on my phone) the covers of the most comprehensive books about the F-16 in service in Italy — the guys in the Discord group have them all to check.
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Still having to use AIM-9Ls at its current BR is already not great but moving it up and not even getting a upgrade just sucks
im pre writing reports because i know they just gonna add 6x 120B and call it a day
They’re gonna add 6x Aim-120A instead of B and call it a day. And then when you bug report it saying, “uh they’re identical and it’s historical” they’ll be like “muh balance” and completely ignore the fact they’re identical. Calling it now, they did it for Israeli aircraft
And for the ICE iirc