if they actually wanted to add multiple tgps to planes, they would do it, i doubt any code is stopping them lol
I’m serious, I think it might be tied to how the ASG-34 IRST pod wasn’t added to super hornet despite being shown and talked about.
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Okay? The F-15IA isn’t integrated into the IAF
“Since it can carry more ARH missiles than the current leaders, it should be nerfed.” This is dangerous logic. You’re basically capping the capabilities of more aircraft in the future. F-22 can carry 8+8externally, and the Su-57 can carry 6+4externally. We’re just not going to move past 12 ARH? Will the F-22 be nerfed to 2 external ARH since the other primo 5th-gen can only carry 10?
Q: if I uninstall MRML on the GE, will the BR decrease?
I imagine this could be another reason why Gaijin added variable Battle Rating.
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When the Su-30SM was added with 12 Fox-3s, the F-15 CGE was added with 12 fox 3s
this trend has remained fairly consistent since fox-3s were added to the game and I expect it to continue unless stealth radically shifts the meta towards skillful missile deployment and not saturation attacks. IDGAF about the irl capabilities of aircraft, nothing needs more than 12 fox-3s to begin with, it makes top tier unpleasant and many, many people have already expressed displeasure in having to deal with the MCM spam we’ve had for over a year now.
then deal with that instead of trying to limit other aircraft
why can’t there be difference, but balance as well? It’s known that the Su-57 has better defensive systems i.e. MAW, DIRCM(idk much about this one tbh) and having a wider search area since to compliment this. My point is that the F-22 can be better in some regards, while the Su-57 is better in others, offensive and defensively. Regarding MCM, I agree it’s annoying AF, but it’s known that some missiles are able to do those things IRL i.e. MICA but the Rafale only has so many missiles, meanwhile its capabilities compensate and are balanced but different to something like the SM2.
because nobody in this community has shown that they are mature enough for asymmetrical capabilities, Eurocanards have been heavily nerfed in the data fusion and defensive department to provide less advanced competitor for US and Russian aircraft which are only starting to catch up (MAWs on Mig-35 and EX for example), and almost every nation has an example of a limitation that has been made to keep it in line with the general meta of war thunder.
It’s not asymmetry; it’s a uniqueness balanced. I said asymmetry before but that’s not correct; it wouldn’t be asymmetrical because there would be unique capabilities among all Top-Tier jets that would compensate for differences in capabilities, which would make them balanced.
you know the F-15’s have sensor fusion too right?
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I havent confirmed it personally but apparently the F15IA has a MAW while the EX doesnt, if true why??
Whats gaijins addiction to giving foreign nations that purchased a vehicle the better variant of said vehicle?
Also what happened to the 360 degree RWR coverage and other EPAWSS integrations
It must suck not being able to research it immediately when the update comes out, but it would still be a little weird for it to be under the f-15C even if it wasn’t called the EX strike eagle.
tbf most modern missiles (with the exception of the mica) shouldn’t be able to easily intercept other air to air missiles because of seeker speed filtering and the proxy fuze not being sensitive enough to detonate
I’ve started trying to outline this but have never defined my thoughts on the potential 5th gen meta, but I feel like a big typing session so i’ll just do one here.
My view of top tier in early 2027
In this hypothetical, the most modern and generous blocks/serial production models are used (eg 2026 Su-57s with fully functional radar/ew suite and integration for all active russian AAMs, same logic applied for J-20A and F-22A, which is also given HMD), furthermore, 4.5 gens have access to advanced IIR missiles also present on 5th gens, so the whole BR range has access to modern IR missiles and potentially improved Fox-3s (MICA NG, Amraam D3, etc) but not BVRAAMs. It also assumes that no significant changes have been made to the function of radars, missiles or the air rb setup.
Provided the only stealth aircraft are F-22A, J-20A and Su-57, I believe that the table of hierarchy goes like this:
Su-57 - Due to the addition of the R-74 and R-77M, this has less missiles than a Su-30 but they are significantly more lethal, with 6 missiles carried internally (potentially 8, with 6 R-77Ms in the bays, 2 R-74s in side bays) and the worst of the 3 RCS rating, this jet will excel as by far the best jet in game for sub-30km engagements, becoming the new Rafale in a way.
Justifications for this observation: Due to the presence of 3 AESA radars for A-A duties (N0-36 byelka, with 1 in the nose and 2 built into the sides of the nose), you’ll have the best radar coverage in the game, with high speed scanning across all 3 sectors combined will make it virtually omniscient in ranges where RCS isn’t the deciding factor of an engagement.
Furthermore, it has an insane defensive suite with a lot of AESA/MMW maws antenna mounted across the airframe, and 360 RWR coverage, all angles will be covered by defensive Avionics, pair this with 2 LDIRCM modules you are also going to be very difficult to kill with IIR missiles due to how the Mi-28nm interacts with the IRIS-T SLM.
Missile wise i’ll assume the R-77M and R-74 are just flat improvements over the 77-1 and 73, which are both very meta missiles, so it’ll just be better in that regard, and as far as flight performance goes, estimates say it’s on par or slightly lighter than the SM2, with the same engines and significantly less drag, should be quicker but also better in dogfights due to it’s LEVCONs being better than canards.
Moving on to the F-22A, this will fulfil a similar role to the F-15s we already have in the game, with 8 internal missiles for a stealthy loadout and good enough radar it’ll be a very capable mid-high altitude BVR platform, good for jousting and just generally the best thing for sitting on top of the furball (if they still exist), however it’s main limitations will be defensive so raptor pilots will have to prioritise positioning and keeping in mind the limitations of the fixed plate AESA. AIM-9X and AIM-120D3 give it the best ‘all round’ missile payload and will fulfil a similar role to the C GE in game rn, although the 9X will be able to be used at significantly longer distances than any 9M variant with a scary seeker, so good for sitting above the furball as previously mentioned.
All in all the raptor will play like a continuation of the current F-15s, but much harder to engage at range due to low RCS, it will struggle if exposed due to mediocre defensive suite, and will definitely not be as suited for close range fights as the felon despite the flight performance.
And finally the J-20A, provided this has the WS-15 (supposed F119 alternatives in regard to thrust), and an internal payload of 8, with 6 PL-12As and 2 PL-10s, which are most similar to IRIS-T, this’ll play like the J-16, no idea what the RCS is in regards to the other 5th gens but it’s going to be good enough, it’s got an amazing and fairly powerful AESA so BVR will be a strength, however it will be very mediocre in close range scenarios due to a lack of TVC for BFM fights, a bad airframe for furball fights and no gun, so engaging in the furball is pretty pointless, as the missile kit works best for BVR.
Defensive suite is good, with a 360 MAWs and RWR, but due to the airframe notching and defending may be an issue, so distance is going to be the J-20’s strength. All in All the role and specifics of the J-20A are the most vague and my prediction could change wildly once I see how gaijin models it.
The role of 4.5 gens, provided they’re even in the same BR range will be applying pressure, next gen IRs will be a game changer for stuff like the Rafale and British Eurofighter, since ASRAAM and MICA IR provide a reliable anti-stealth option at 25-40km IIR missiles that do not give a warning to something like a raptor, due to a lack of it’s MAW, while aircraft like the J-16/15EX/SM2 will likely remain as missile busses however there will be a lot more instances of ‘launching blind’ and hoping fox-3s will track through stealth, all depends on how RCS is modelled for AAMs.
Overall this is a very rough prediction and mainly aims to see how the 5th gens and their capabilities mingle with eachother in a traditional Air RB setting, which could change drastically by 2027, but to anyone who’s gotten to here, thanks for reading, and let me know what could be different, especially in relation to US aircraft since the capabilities of the raptor are my least researched
I think the Su-57 will end up being the most problematic and difficult to balance 5th gen, since it’s a majorly different playstyle compared to the F-22A and J-20A, which are fairly similar
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only carries 4 R-77M in the bays, cannot carry R-77-1 internal
i dont think PL-12A for internal carriage, and it can only carry 4 fox 3 and 2 IR.
its got full RWR and MAWS coverage
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seen proposed loadouts for the felon with 6 internal 77M, mounted in sets of 3 with 2 in the regular position and a 3rd mounted in between
It’s that or PL-15, so pick your poison, same story with felon, i see more chance that gaijin gives these aircraft theoretically similar AAM loadouts (eg 6 internal) since theyre physically possible, simply haven’t been done yet
never seen anything about Raptor MAWs, it’s also more than a decade older than both other jets, and defensive suites have evolved massively in that time
AN/AAR-56 MLD
And for these proposed loadouts, afaik there aren’t any official programs or developments like with F-35 sidekick racks.
6 internal for J-20 doesn’t seem possible unless they trim the missiles more
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it’s no different to fictional dual racks on various 4.5 gens, Gaijin will 100% just do what it wants when it comes to internal bays
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But even those dual racks did exist, although for IR missiles.
There just isn’t anything showing more than 4 fox 3 with current missiles on J-20 and Su-57
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just setting your expectations, idc what gaijin does but don’t expect them to be realistic