At least they didn’t give it the jh7a treatment and just not give it its arh missiles and only give it non irccm ir missiles to shoehorn it into a lower br.
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You think most F-15Es today (especially the suite it would have to be given its equipment) still run 220s? What makes you assume that?
I know the specific F-15E ingame did already recieve its 229s irl, although quite late compared to the rest of the Strike Eagles. Either way both the irl plane and the vast majority of F-15Es came with or recieved 229s and had them for the majority of their service
that why the upgraded ones calld F15EX DUH
i actually asked a F-15E pilot who flew in the 2000’s, his entire AFB still do this day only uses 220’s, iirc only about 99 of the F-15E’s have 229’s.
Thats quite contradictory from basically any public source, the 229s were introduced in 1992 and every Strike Eagle since has had them from the start, with the older batches often getting retrofits. Only few retain the 220s
I think they should be in a folder with F15C. Because i think its just a upgrade of anto ground weaponary.
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Idk if youre joking or not, but the EX is a different plane, based on the F-15QA which is itself a version of the original F-15E. Giving a Strike Eagle 229s does not make it an EX
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could you link one of these public sources?
I don’t think so, because its not just an upgrade of A2G weapons. The airframe got a considerable overhaul, avionics are different, the cockpit is overhauled, weapon integration is different. Its in many ways a new plane.
Further, it was made specifically to replace the F-111 after the plans to get more upgraded F-111s were dropped, as such its in its historical place on the tech tree
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To @Cpt_Bel_V
Designation in the US doesn’t reflect the Main role it used to fill, but the category it was designed for.
F-105/F-117 or F-111 were mostly used as Ground attack aircrafts in 'Nam, Kosovo or even Irak.
And they’re known for those roles.
as i said a weaker point
Due to AIM-120A? Every other Fighters got those.
Being KING is not a given thing, even more considering the US F-15E will have AIM-120B.
AIM120B is currently better at tracking, even if it’s kinda small improvement, it would make the AIM-120B more dangerous than AIM-120A overall.
no what’d do it is the 229 engines it gets making it do mach 1.4 ish i dont recall exactly on the flipping deck lmao it is FAST and then you can carry bombs and it’s still absolutley bonkers, several youtubers have shown themselves being able to kenetically outmanuvre 54’s at the range where it’s usually VERY hard
Plus the difference between AIM-120A and B is just electronics n stuff, it’s a lot like the differences between the AIM-9B and AIM-9B FGW.2 iirc it’s slightly better ECCM but not much else, in war thunder it literally means they copied the statcard and changed the model. that’s it. nought difference.
Of course not,… you don’t know about French Navy aircraft do you?
They were intended to fill as Secondary role Interception and Air-Air combat from times to times as F-8E(FN) weren’t provided in great numbers.Also the reason why the Super-Étendard was filled with Magic-2 after the S2 standard(by my memory).
Which have been done before the F-8E(FN) was fitted with those Magic-2 (as F-8P modification).
i rather meant that they were absolutely designed for strike instead of being a fighter with added bombs, like both of what you mentioned don’t have BVR, high AOA ect though the Super-Étendard supercruise is cool
Late 4th gen //4gen+: multirole concept is different.
Mirage 2000D is a specific ground attack variant
Super-Étendard was designed for both, even Wikipedia categorize it as:
“Attack and Hunting Aircraft” in french version.
yes, that’s my point, they are different in their design principle, a 2000D throws everything out the window for pure strike performance, i mean heck the Shars were originally strike aicraft but made cracking fighters with >100 perfect kill ratios, so i don’t doubt they’re good as fighters but they are originally strike aircraft and were usually treated as such
to @_VIP_3R
but that was because the IAF already had the F-15 as superior fighters, not because it was not capable.
i’m saying they’ve put a strike aircraft in the main line so why can’t they put F-15I in the main line consaidering it’s more of a fighter than the kurnass 2000 is or at least rectify the kurnass 2000 to be in the strike line. i mean the kurnass 2000 was in the main line despite being a strike aircraft modification it was there due to it’s air to air performance so why can’t the F-15I?
F-15E itself is a TOTALLY different change from the F-15A and C, it is focused precisely on Air-to-Ground capability
again sorry for using the F-4C/D comparison but that’s basically what the F-4D upgrade was, new laser guided bombs ect but they didn’t call it the strike phantom
to @vKALiBUR
no because like the legacy’s are to the f-15c as the super hornets are to the strike eagles
i mean it’s basically another political move, also the F/A-18C is also fucking BUSTED cas wise already, unlike how the F-4C/B were so it’s fine imho
to @quartas121
The legacy hornet was more strike focused, and was a cheaper multirole to replace the aircraft surrounding the very expensive f14. The super hornet was made as the replacement for f14 and some of the legacy hornet
that’s just a side effect of the navy decomissioning every single attacker other than the AV-8B so it kinda only makes sense to make your already multirole fighter omnirole
to @Ill_3
Giving a Strike Eagle 229s does not make it an EX
his point being that instead of just adding 229s to Es they just make the jump and upgrade them straight to EX’s
Thats quite contradictory from basically any public source, the 229s were introduced in 1992 and every Strike Eagle since has had them from the start, with the older batches often getting retrofits. Only few retain the 220s
someone does have a source proving this true, however only a small amount got 229s recently iirc 229s mostly went to Cs till now. however i do agree it’s unfair
I don’t think so, because its not just an upgrade of A2G weapons. The airframe got a considerable overhaul, avionics are different, the cockpit is overhauled, weapon integration is different. Its in many ways a new plane.
Further, it was made specifically to replace the F-111 after the plans to get more upgraded F-111s were dropped, as such its in its historical place on the tech tree
while yes that is true from a gameplay perspective it is mostly just an F-15C with new radar, a backseat and bombs plus those other upgrades would’ve hapened if it were a fighter anyway
To @SpartanulPH
The F-15E and I should stay on the lines they currently are. F-15E replaced the vark’s role and the F-15I main purpose was also Ground Attack
please put some more effort in that’s how this whole discussion started, because this just isn’t enough to convince me
bro you can just admit to not have grinded out the bomber tree
that’s an entirely unproductive statement, i haven’t grinded out the heavy fighter or the bomber tree
Got this one for date of introduction and which squadrons use it, looks more varied than initially assumed, though the more modern suites of Strike Eagles which match the equipment in game generally have the 229s
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is this source confirmed credible in any way?
yes
but the game based on the some first F15E that got 220’s
as the same for the israelite that first Ra’am got 229
and yes its to op BUT 100% it will get fix and that fast boy will fly a lot slower (i mean the gaining speed)
the model will get reworked and the engies will stay the same
and i dont think gaijin care bout US mains as they didnt care about Israel mains (like fr israel didnt got NORMAL spaa bruh) so it is what it is
i mean can’t they just be fair and give F-15E the same engines as F-15I and give israel SPICE bombs?
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i know it hasnt been updated in nearly 9 years, but it states the 389th has 220’s
if you ask me i will prefer that the F15E will get the 229 to
and the F15I will get some new things to make him uniqe (arsenal and stuff)
the problem is i dont think it will happend… at least for now
p.s NATO aircrafts need new things the gbu 39 is cool but we shall see HARMs and some good shit cuz the kh-38Mt is op i mean the smoke dont help you the spaa’s cant do shi about it
In another thread there was a Strike Eagle Crew Chief claiming that specific one we have ingame has 229s by now, I can only vouch for the source I linked being credible via most of its information looking quite reasonable and in line with other online sources. I could ask a Strike Eagle pilot about it too, but I think the split shown by my source can be accepted as a fair worst case figure.
I would however argue that if one were to go into historical details about the Strike Eagles equipment and status it would quickly get convoluted, since we’re getting some weird mix that is late enough for the JHMCS but somehow doesnt have things like newer weapons, targeting pods, or (afaik) matching cockpit.
From my pov the plane we have ingame should reasonably get the 229s to fairly represent what a ‘proper’ Strike Eagle is supposed to be like, and that includes its dedicated engines. From a balancing pov I also find it unreasonable to deny the US its engines “for balancing” while the Israeli version has them regardless.
As fast as anyone currently,… many aircrafts are currently way faster depending on altitude,…
A fast low altitude aircraft would simply get some trouble to keep low altitude enough to avoid incoming Radar missile.
Never been hit by a Single AIM-54,…
But ok,…
Bring me Datamine and check it out.
For the rest of it, you have understood what you wanted to,… but since you don’t know much you’re unable to understand my point.