F-15 Eagle: History, Performance & Discussion

Sure. But the ambiguity issue must be understood first

In the 60s the phantom and the sparrow was introduced. The Phantom’s radar used a LPRF( LOW Pulse Repetition Frequency) to detect and track targets. LPRF allow us to detect targets based on the time it takes for a pulse to go and return. Simple.

The Aim-7D/E instead of tracking the signal from the plane in a time manner like the Phantom’s radar, it looked for the target in the frequency spectrum. An approaching target will stand out against the clutter if its coming in hot, under the horizon and chaffing. The problem with the AIM-7/Phantom’s radar mix is due to the range/doppler ambiguity which comes from the PRF selection from the radar.
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This essentially covers the issue but I’ll try to explain it shortly.

Look at the range column on the picture above. If you send a signal every 1 millisecond ( 0.001s), your max instrumented range is 150km. Your PRF is 1kHz. But what happens if your radar is powerful and there’s a targets at 170km? The signal of this target will be coming
1.2 ms(0.0002s) after you sent your first signal, as you send a pulse every 1ms, it’ll look like you are getting a return signal 0.2ms after your pulse and the target will appear at 30km on your scope, a ghost target as it really is at 170km. The solution, use a lower PRF. Lets take 0.5 kHz, meaning a signal every 2ms. Now your Max instrumented range is 300km. Good enough.

For the sparrow, we switch from the time domain to the frequency domain of the doppler shift. Here its important to know that the returns repeat every multiple of PRF.


Above you see the doppler shift domain, fo is 0 closure rate( ex. the target is going at my same velocity and direction), the signals comes back at the same frequency.

On a a head on scenario, the faster the target is coming towards us, the higher the doppler shift will be. Lets say a target is approaching us a x speed and the frequency shift we see is +750Hz. On the previous case we had 2 PRFs, at 500 Hz and 1000 Hz. If our PRF had been set at 500Hz, on our scope it look like the target is going away, a negative closure velocity. A False target. So we set our PRF at 1 kHZ. Now, solved the second problem but we have our initial problem! Our range is limited to 150km. This known as the doppler dilemma
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We can’t know both at the extremes, one must be sacrificed. You can see it on the first pic.
Radars operate at 8-10 Ghz. Lets put an engagement, 2 planes approaching each other at Mach 2 for a combined MACH 4 closure rate and the frequency is 9GHz.
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The doppler shift is 82.4 kHz. Using the analysis we did above, we would need that our PRF to be 82.4 kHz. Our max instrumented range falls down to a poor 1.8km. No Bueno! But atleast you can see target below you clearly.
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But what about targets going away? Targets with a negative doppler shift will appear left (RED BARS) to the PRF, in a similar way closing targets will appear to the right(Big BLUE BARS). This means that the negative targets will appear on our positive side and closing targets will appear to the negative side(negative). And if the targets is going away fast enough, it may even get just besides the same closing + target. So what radar engineers did is only study a small bandwith. On the example above -PRF/2 to +PRF/2 to prevent ghost targets. On the engagement above, that would mean that the minimum PRF required we found above doubles to 164 kHz. And now our Maximum instrumented range falls down to 910 meters!

Now, make the interceptor fire a sparrow. The sparrow can reach Mach 4. We would require an even higher PRF. So what did radars engineers did. They put 2 antennas, 1 for the main radar, LPRF, and another one for the sparrow to guide in. This second antenna instead of using a pulsed waveform, it uses a Continuous Wave( CW). In the frequency domain, CW doesn’t have PRF lines that repeat, meaning there’s no PRF/ doppler dilemma. But you cannot measure range directly. (There are other methods like Frequency Modulation and measuring with using several PRFs). This is what is called the CWI( CW illuminator). Here’s the F4Js radar, and the horn to the left is the CW illuminator.

There are things to note:

  • RWRs could tell if you are being fired upon by detecting a CW in your direction. As the CWI only got turned on when you fired and guided the missile.

  • The beamwidth of the horn is big compared to that of the antenna, energy gets sent in a 15° cone basically compared to 3.5° of a main radar. Energy gets wasted, it that could be used for longer ranges and as you illuminate a big cone there can be many more targets you are inadvertently illuminating that the missile could go after instead of the one you want.

As technology progressed, things got smaller and computer power increased. Better radars got into service like the AWG 9( pulse and HPRF) and APG 63(HPRF and MPRF). More complex waveforms could be used. The 7F introduced the ability the guide on pulsed signals, PD guidance. You need a high PRF so MPRF can’t be used. The awg-9 can fire the sparrow with a CW illuminator or in HPRF. The F15-F18 can only do it in HPRF.
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The illuminator on phantoms worked at 200Watts, this gave the AIM-7F’s seeker 22 Nautical miles range for a 2m^2 target. When guiding in HPRF(PD - 440 W avg power), the range got increased respectively. The eagle has ~5 kW of peak power, as it works in roughly 30-50% duty ratio, the average power falls down to like 1.5kW-2.5kW average power. Do the math and seeker range range increases( 33-38NM )a lot more for the same target, now mix the sparrow M doing all digitally( compared to 7F which is analogue and has more internal noise which deteriorates the signal) and you get more range.
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Green line is the 22NM figure under 200W of CW. Red line is 440W under PD and then you have the envelope of what I would say it the Mike sparrow

And as a bonus of using the same HPRF tracking signal to guide your missile nor changing it, the target cannot know he’s being fired upon!

There’s other stuff like conical/monopulse tracking and the choice between time difference and doppler shift for tracking. Hope this helped a bit to explain.

I rose this CW/HPRF more than a year ago, yet nothing is done. Same with the F15 radar which has a report on the DEV. Community Bug Reporting System @k_stepanovich

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The intakes stop moving down after about mach 0.9ish @wasa850

I disagree, ROKAF is using AIM-7M on F-4E, this is not possible if AIM-7M does not have CW guidance.

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The basic principle of guiding on HPRF is that it is a continuous wave (interrupted)… close enough to a continuous wave to guide on… the AIM-7M clearly still requires HPRF in all applications. Therefore it should also function on older CW emitters as well, or even be required to use them if HPRF is not available.

I guess that isn’t self-evident to people, but it seems pretty easy to reason / deduce to me.

While if it is realistic i 100% want this to be implemented, i don’t know if it would help the F-15 be more competitive in BVR.
While not detecting the launch the RWR would still detect the tracking and HPRF usually is easier to notch than MPRF.
Especially at closer range shots (which is 80% of the kills with radar missiles) MPRF is more consistent

This was sidestepped to some degree by the addition of additional sensors, like the IR AN/AAA-4 found on the F-4B( & F-110A), F-4C(early), F-101B, F-102 & F-106 and AN/ASX-1 TISEO found on later F-4E’s (missing from the US F-4E and mismodeled on the Israeli airframe) since they don’t use Radar emissions they don’t require a conventional lock on to provide target tracking, which could slew the antenna and so could provide antenna train error for independent sparrow guidance.

So not only would provide LD/SD, and Anti-Notching within their range as well as separate cueing. This isn’t modeled well.

This is also found on the F-14 in the AN/AAS-23, AXX-1 & AAS-42
and was a potential item for the F-15 as the ATAR (Aerial Targeting And Recognition)
F-101B AAA-4 & F-15 ATAR IRST (chin blister)
and A-16(Viper) as the Falcon Eye.

But none of which are likely to be implemented as separate systems and so aren’t functionally implemented. As the latter two are prototype systems that were never integrated into serial production airframes.

Primary sources claim it’s 7 degrees from centerline for the F-4J, though I don’t know if that is to the HPBW or to the edge of the sidelobe. (see warning on 1-166[bottom right page])

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It should. You can only fire the sparrow at a 2m² target at 22 N.M(~40km). With a bigger the RCS, more energy gets back giving more range. For example a 5m² target can be fired upon at 27.67N.M(~51.3km) and so on. But ingame, radar code is handled by an infamous missile/radar dev.
No matter how big the RCS is, the range it can see targets is capped at ~24.3N.M( 45km) just because yes, this figure was pullled out of his ass with no base for it and that 22N.M for 2m² is given for a phantoms CW illuminator.

With the F15 you should be able to fire at 40N.M at a 2m² target, the bigger the RCS the better. But no, we get phantom numbers.

But at high altitude and at high launch speeds, the AIM-7F can outperform the R-27ER due to its longer guidance time.

You can’t even take advantage of this due to the limit.

And no RWR warning will surely help. Yes, you “lose” MPRF but gain something in return. I say “lose” bc MPRF is not modelled, bc it does nothing of RL stuff.

Close enough, 14° cone. Beyond ±7° you get sidelobes

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Usually when SARH missile launches, radar needs to increase the PRF and duty factor to provide sufficient illumination of the target, very much a valid assumption.

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There is very much an open report on the topic, but currently all radar missiles uses normal seeker acquisition range + 5 km = max range

So it’s not necessarily issue just with the sparrow

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Thats why you have the automatic switch to HPRF…and doesn’t stay in MPRF. If it had a 2 different HPRF waveform sets then what’s the point of going to HPRF when you fire the missile? If we just switch between 2 waveforms you can do MPRF for all aspect tracking and then switch to the other to provide illumination. Like the N001 and N019, its tracks for 10ms and sends out CW for the next 20ms.

Again, it’s not due to a need to provide sufficient illumination but velocity ambiguity issue as I explained above. If not you could just guide the sparrow in MPRF(lower PRF) while keeping long pulse widths(=high duty ratio) for high power. Its not an power thing. Look at Matra 530, a LPRF radar was guiding it!

No.
And even if it was right or used a totally different HPRF waveform. There should still be no warning for some.

Yeah, its an issue that is a simple fix and known for OVER A YEAR.

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PRF are not necessarily fixed.
The reason is simple, the Doppler frequency seen by the missile is much higher than the radar due to the missile’s higher speed, to ensure that the velocity data is unambiguous, the minimum PRF required for the missile will be higher than in radar search operations.

This is why, as you pointed out, maintaining Medium PRF throughout for launching in PD guidance mode is not possible.

Additionally for ECM reasons, Agile PRF selections are good for preventing the enemy’s ECM techniques. Although I am not sure if such a feature exists on Early versions of AN/APG-63

Also increase in duty factor is so that the average power transmitted by radar increases, give the SARH missile more seeker range.

The only concern is for time dividing PRF, I doubt the traveling wave tubes on AN/APG-63 can switch the PRF that quickly between 10-20ms.

Can the above two be achieved before launching missile? Yes that is certainly the case.

As for RWR warning, it’s a maybe for me

Maybe the HPRF are already sufficiently high so the velocity measurement is unambiguous, or maybe the PRF needs to increase further, such a change will may be picked up, depending on the RWR’s PRF measurement accuracy.

there is no reason for radar to continuously operate with such a high duty factor, because it increases the failure rate for the component.

All in all, a lot of the information is still missing.

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Considering that the F-8 Crusader’s TWT is operating in the order of tens ~ hundreds of Microseconds (μs), switching in a few milliseconds (1000μs = 1ms) really shouldn’t be an issue for the F-15 since it’s building on at least 20 years of further studies and designs, especially considering the output waveform of TWT’s is dependent on the input, and that PRF is one of the easiest things to alter to a point.

F-8 Tactical manual, radar characteristics excerpt

The relevant info from above is that the AN/APQ-83 / APQ-124

  • Has a pulse width of 0.7μs
  • And a PRF of 833μs (1200hz)
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Sparrow works by comparing the difference between rear antenna signal from the launching aircraft and front antenna signal, so it actually has the same unambiguous required PRF.

Pretty sure it can, a cycle in RWS is 1 PRF phase for doppler measurement lasting 8.602ms, and 2 for other PRFs with same length where carrier frequency is FMd for Ranging.

And you’d need a good RWR for that, but some just mark missile guidance by seeing a CW in their direction. These are the RWRs that wont detect IF there is a change in PRF, like spo 15. They detect between LPRF and M/HPRF, give missile launch warning if CW, LPRF+CW or if signal from M/HPRF is strong( A distance thing). If not this kind of radars, it depends if PRF is changed and the ability to detect it.

In fact, messing around. 40kft 2 planes going Mach 2, and a sparrow flying at Mach 4. It would need up to ~90kHz for free clutter space. And even if we put a high flyer at M2.5 making the Vr(m-t) Mach6.5. It goes up to 94kHz.
And even planes like Mig 29 have the PRF from 160kHz to 220kHz. I forgot that the doppler shift is one way
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Its higher bc the missile will be traveling faster than the homing radar. And as the missile is receding from the launching plane, the PRF will be lower.

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they should add the mig-25 but it can not go Mach 3 cause the only thing that can counter it would be the AIM-74 or the Tomcat’s main rocket because it only goes Mach 4.5 so that will be the only option. BR 13.0

They can add it and would fit good at BR 11.7. Not untouchable but able to do some damage

The F-106, AIM-97 (its basically an Air launched SM-1[RIM-66], with an IR seeker) & HMD are sitting in the wings waiting warmly, assuming the AWG-9 & AIM-54 prove inadequate, or never get fixed.

F-106 AIM-97
F-106 MA-1 IRSTS

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when was this?

I want whatever the USAF was smoking circa 1974.

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Bootleg VTAS?? + IRST + AIM-4 (No proximity fuse, and almost certainly couldn’t utilize VTAS as the missiles was stored internally on their interceptor.

AIM-9J + AIM-7E2 on their F4 with no look-down capability.

“Hmm? Let’s not integrate anything the navy has been working on and make 2 new missiles.”

  • AIM-82 and AIM-97 start to be developed, and are promptly canceled.

  • Meanwhile the Navy makes the AIM-95 AGILE and already has the AIM-54 Phoenix, both of which blow anything you can make out of the water in every aspect. (AIM-95 is canceled because it is too expensive, screw you Congress)

“Uhh, well let’s see here. It is now ~1977 and we have”:

  • Joint Service AIM-9L, Joint Service AIM-7F, no further developments for AIM-4 or F106, F-15 just entered service with the USAF’s first Pulse-Doppler radar.

Meanwhile, the Navy has:

  • Joint Service AIM-9L, Joint Service AIM-7F, Brand new and wildly successful AIM-54, and F-14A is already ~5 years old with the Navy’s second Pulse-Doppler radar and Track-While-Scan functionality.

How was the Navy so much further ahead than the Air Force? Did the Air Force forget what Air Superiority means?

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Considering The F-102 / F-106 was intended to go after Soviet Jet bombers it was less of an issue since all it was really supposed to do was intercept near defenseless targets, so taking a little bit more time to kill the bombers was a worth trade off And that the Falcon / Super Falcon prioritized performance at altitude, and with non-maneuvering targets lacking a proximity fuze, and using Nuclear warheads is less of an issue.

The F-4E did leave (ANG) service in '92 armed with the AIM-9M and AIM-7F

The F-110A (USAF borrowed F-4B) and early F-4C’s retained the AN/AAA-4 IRST, and the F-4E eventually received the AN/ASX-1 TISEO, so they did have Look Down sensor capability to some degree. Further, Semi-Automatic (BST, HOJ & AOJ etc.) and Manual illumination modes / work arounds did exist for Sparrow employment which aren’t modeled in game so it was less of an issue IRL.

The F-4C, -4D and -4G traded the Sensors away for TACAN / RHAW gear so had a significantly better chance at surviving a SAM encounter as they would be more likely to detect a threat, as was the major issue at the time.

The F-4E used the Chin station for the Gun so moved the sensor to the wing root.

It probably comes down to Clarity of Purpose, the USAF had to manage a ton of disparate commands (Frontline Airforce, Bomber command, Homeland defense, Reserves, Tankers, Tactical and Strategic Airlift, Reconnaissance, etc.), and had a lot more airframes on the go at any one time, and also the fact that The Navy had a keen eye and tended to stick with solutions and iteratively refine them, also cribbing Airforce homework often payed off (Technically the AWG-9 and AIM-54 are descendants of the USAF’s AN/ASG-18 and GAR-9(eventually became the AIM-47) development which were of spun off the LRI-X program which were to arm the prospective F-108, which was to pair with the XB-70, basically they ended up being part of the F-111B as a Joint platform and eventually going on to arm the F-14 ).

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