Su-27 could only fire the R-73 iirc, not the R-60.
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I hate to break it to you but there was a reason why the Sparrow was referred to as the Great White Hope, the SSPk of the 'Nam variants was only 13%, and afterwards only rose to ~25~30% with the -7F/M/-P and the AIM-120 only sits at about 50%('09).
Though ROE has the largest part to play in those stats, the AIM-7 wasn’t anywhere near what someone would refer to as reliable.
The issue that underpins the Sparrows are that they are an old missile(AIM-7F is from '76, R-27 was in service '83), and so sufficient time had elapsed to gather accurate data and develop a counter to them, which took the form of the R-27ER so it is no surprise that there is an obvious disparity in performance especially with the later -Ex variants.
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I hate to break it to you, but the R-27ER has a 1 and 30 success rate.
Thats worse than the Aim-7 by a large margin. The difference is in game:
The Aim-7 sparrow performs as it should based on its IRL performance. The recent updates made the Aim-7 even worse. It will over turn, over correct, and miss the target on a good lock 50% of the time. Sometimes it just flies completely to the left or right and hits a teammate that was no where in your lock cone.
The R-27ER performs WAY better than it should based on its IRL performance. You can shoot it at close range and it will pull 30gs all the way to the target just fine. You can shoot at medium range and it guides just fine. Long range? Guides just fine.
Russian Bias ladies and gentleman.
1 out of 30. Yet in game its more like 30/30. Just so everyone is aware, the R-27 missile was considered a failure. It was in no way shape or form the missile that is in warthunder. Thats just Russian developer bias cope. Warthunder is full of it. Look at the Pantsir. A video released from Ukraine today shows it missing a storm shadow 8+ times then getting hit by it. IRL Russian tech and equipment does NOT perform as it does in Warthunder. IRL it barely works if at all. But in Warthunder it shoots down everything in the air… Its all just cope.
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I think this is not a best place to talk about certain performance of missile (which can be ignored in game), especially for Soviet one that has nothing to do with F-15.
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It’s best not to reply to him, he always shows up with some unhinged nonsense. We’ve reported him so many times… and yet the forum mods do nothing about him on the old forum. Now he is here, same thing.
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Only problem with this would be that it would be dominant in the sky unless it was modeled in a way that it was no where near being accurate. Just like how the f-14’s radar was accurate in its dev but it was determined to be too powerful.
The F-15’s flight performance is generally worse than the F-14, the radar is not nearly as powerful but offers more modes… I don’t see it being particularly dominant in any way.
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F-15 has a superior radar to F-14, and it’s a superior dogfighter to F-14.
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The F-14’s radar in WT is accurate.
Ground clutter is another issue that impacts all radars.
Radar should be a lot more resistant to notching and without variable wing geometry and being slightly smaller than the F-14, itll likely be more noob friendly. The vast majority of top tier players are noobs.
Despite this, it wont be dominant unless it gets AMRAAM’s while nobody else does, since itll still be stuck dealing with the handhold missiles the USSR get
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Thats a bit debatable. The F-14A could hold its own against the F-15 and often won against it, though it could have trouble in sustained fights due to its lacking TWR.
As for the F-14 vs F-15 radar. Early F-15 radars could not quite match a skilled F-14 RIO in capabilities, but seeing as gaijin models the RIO as being nothing but pure 100% dead weight in WT, and the fact the maps are way too small for radar range to matter, then yeah, the F-15 radar is better
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Maps are not “too small” because they’re engagement points. We’re already near combat radius at 120km.
I was playing F-4EJ Kai and it still rocks, it has so much missiles its easy to get 4+ kills and the medium prf radar is very good. F-15 will be good.
I’m consistently able to bring 1/3rd max fuel load in top tier jets, I can fire on targets within 1-2 minutes of takeoff, and ground objectives are consistently much to cramped on the majority of maps in-game.
We have medium range fox 3’s and HOBS Fox 2’s coming, likely this year. The maps are too small, its not much of a leap to say that.
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Those ranges are at 10km altitude, where no one will play. The maps are big enough, and missile ranges only get lower than Pheonix from this point forward.
The first AMRAAMs will have low-range.
There won’t be any IRCCM IR missiles this year unless they somehow generate 12.7 before the end of the year, which means F-15s next update, and Su-27s in the December update.
Except the AIM-120 has more range than an AIM-7F, and is VASTLY more resistant to notching and clutter than every other missile in-game, maneuvers better than the 7F, and can be fired all aspect reliably, so you will NEED the space to defend against it…
No, AMRAAM A has 60% the range of AIM-7F, and notching performance is largely unknown.
Pretty sure it was already covered in the old forums that the AIM-120 outranged the AIM-7F from the earliest models onwards. As for notching performance, tho we have no exact numbers afaik, we know that it uses a much more modern digital seeker and MPRF radar which would make it substantially better against notching targets.
AMRAAM A has a range of 70km, which doesn’t get matched until AMRAAM B & R-77.
AMRAAM A is coming whether you like it or not, cause Gripen is not going to be 11.7, and the only way it’s going above 11.7 is if it has AMRAAM As.
F-4F ICE at 12.3 is a possibility as well.
None of this is relevant to F-15 tho as F-15s won’t be getting AMRAAMs until late next year more than likely.
Wut? Do you know what radius is? It 50km, not 120km.
F15A has better high altitude performance than a tomcat A. The F15 can sit comfortably +30Kft unlike the 14A and stay suspersonic. The pw100 220 has higher thrust at +M1.3. You can see with full fuel, 4aim7s, 4aim9s and centerline pylon, the 220 equiped eagle can sustain 3.3Gs at Mach 1.6 @ 30kft, meanwhile the 200 eagle maxes at 3Gs at Mach 1.3 and drops steeply where it can’t sustain a turn beyond Mach 1.54.
In terms of radar, even a pre-psp is superior to it imo. MPRF is quite a thing + better processing. Psp I would say range very close to f14A. I showed ranges in old forum
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Amraam B has higher range than sparrows, mostly due to better guidance/trajectory which is probably(confident) due to using DG instead of just APN( just PN in WT). Also not limited to seeker range, which limits sparrow ALOT. The EFFECTIVE RANGE is considerably higher, proper inertial nav, lofting, tws. Notching is unknown but objectively better than sparrow by a large margin. Range gates, faster processing, mprf, more filters at a higher rate, narrow BW, multiple waveforms that change. Cesar Rodriguez fired the amraam (one) beyond 36Nm at the serbian Nig-29(which left a falling fireball) during Kosovo campaign. Rmax where both fighters are at Mach 1, headon at 10kft is 19-20Nm, Nez is 7-8Nm.
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