Pink-line represents the amount of difference between in-game testing and from the reference source. Currently the plane is missing over 2 degrees per second STR at low speeds. This is actually very substantial when considering the measurement is take at 10,000 feet. 2.4 degrees missing out of 10.4 degrees is 23% of its low speed turn performance.
For reference, my testing with sim controls will net around a 9 degrees per second STR at Mach .3 at 10,000 feet. This is true for F-15C with 52% fuel and also true for F-15A if loaded to 82% fuel; both of these fuel loads correspond to 37,000lbs total weight.
Another point of reference is that Statshark EM diagram predicts an STR of 11.6 degrees per second. I am getting 9 degrees per second in actual in-game testing.
Yeah it’s been underperforming since forever. General lee 2000 helped make a bug report on it a long time ago but it got rejected, lemme see if i can find it.
Must be misremembering I remember him saying that f-15c was underperforming in sustained rate but all i see on his account is empty mass reports/radar reports
Found it https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9LFJm1a6EfsD
F-15C MSIP II incorrect FM envelope
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al31fp for su 30sm, it’s an emergency mode that shouldn’t be allowed in game. It can only run for 7 minutes. I might create a bug report on it, I have to get my hands on the proper source tho which shouldnt be too hard to find. f-15 102 trim from my understanding can run indefinitely unlike the al31fp emergency mode
f-15a is modeled on 102 trim. not sure about f-15c we have in game, it uses different engine as well that I don’t even know whether or not gets trim levels like early f15a/c (they used same engine early in life but we have later f-15c with newer engines (imo worse ones))
ill do some quick research on it
I remember when it first came out everyone was crying about f-15a because it was modeled on 102 trim but unlike the mig 21 bis or su30sm emergency mode, it can be powered continuously and doesn’t have hard limit. f15a might still be overperforming though, I haven’t seen proper numbers and compared them to manual yet
That explains why the F-15A feels almost too good at holding speed while the F-15C just flies decently. I think 102 trim is wartime power or something so the PW-220 should be able to do it
yes it gets an emergency mode but it’s like su-30sm emergency mode - can only be used for limited amount of time and engine has to be inspected after landing. IG if su-30sm gets it then f-15c can also get it, but MULTIPLE planes have been denied their emergency mode, so imo shouldn’t be modeled in game (so why tf does the su30sm get it, do i really gotta do a counter bug report for that). Also if it fails then engine reverts to a “reduced” load (secondary mode). im sure @Morvran would love emergency thrust on his tornado. It’s not like 102 trim on the f-15a/pw 100 engines where it can run indefinitely
Mig-21Bis has had it from day one (i think) as well. Certainly still has it in game right now.
Yep, Combat Thrust would be awesome. Best implementation would be limited to something like 5 minutes of increased thrust per sortie kinda like water injection is on the Harriers. Could be overtuned slightly as well to compensate for our ahistorical drag.
Though if some aircraft are getting combat thrust figures for their AB figures, then all should, or at least it shouldnt be so selectively used when clearly there are other aircraft that are in need of it
I’m 99% sure they are not fine to put on here, as if I recall correctly, export controlled docs have to be explicitly marked as declassified or fit for public use, but don’t quote me on that.
Also, I didn’t see any kosher way of getting that specific year on the surface US websites, but there were plenty of those 1984 copies floating around on various websites.
I’m now pretty sure we aren’t supposed to use either of the flight manuals… whoops =)
To my knowledge neither of them are approved for public release and I’m pretty sure that Export Control laws supercede Gaijin’s 30 year rule.
