that would be false
According to what information ?
the 27 which the radar could not guide?
Yes, hence my comment.
Prove me otherwise, you’re the biggest US glazer in human history going into any Russian or Chinese thread to discredit their inventions and creations yet you praise the US as if it’s some holy figure.
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Bro says “Nuh uh” without a source and leaves
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It’s because they limited the fin deflection angle to 7.83 deg.
According to these pictures the fin deflection angle is around 25-30 deg, possibly higher.
And while, yes these pictures are at 0 air speed:
1- The Hawk missile, originally being a surface to air missile, would obviously be designed to be able to hit its 15G overload at lower speeds. So it would obviously have a high fin deflection angle, and not 7.83 deg which is virtually, by far, the lowest of any air to air or surface to air missile in the game.
2- The fins are symmetric rectangular with a center pivot, so the force required to actuate them and deflect them to the same angle, shouldn’t be much higher at higher air speeds (that Sedjil is flying at, compared to Hawk, or in general for a flying missile compared to a stationary one).
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Made a report here:
Sedjl & Fakour incorrect max fin deflection angle and max load factor
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OJCxQHrSbp3F
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If the I-HAWK pulls 20G’s, the Phoenix surely should also pull more than 17G imo.
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Is there any source for the 20G figure for I-Hawk?
IIRC there is a brochure with 25G (likely dual plane) figure for Phoenix.
It is unlikely the Phoenix uses anything BUT dual plane IRL first of all.
The I-HAWK is 20G’s, and has peak missile AoA guidance limitation of 22 degrees.
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@sudo_su1 You have been keen to report the Fakour and Sedjeel, feel free to take that source and make the report to buff the Sedjil to 20G, improve the performance of that ordnance. Might make it worth bringing.
Additionally, @David_Bowie If the Sedjil (I-HAWK) can easily maneuver at 20G even in single plane, why is the Phoenix still being held back from reaching 24-25G?
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I will reformulate the report with that. Thanks
Such a cool missile going to waste, they seriously need to do something about the Sedjil.
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I want to test the Fakour missile using vertical launch platform in-game and see if it performs to what is shown for the min range in the document, would you guys know what the elevation limit is for the MIM-23 HAWK launcher? @MiG_23M @sudo_su1
I see that, but what is needed to be known is the original MIM-23 HAWK’s SARH seeker gimbal limit and the launcher elevation limit in order to properly test the minimum range.
Knowing what the fin deflection and G load of a missile is, won’t be enough and might still leave maneuverability on the table if min range isn’t reported
Gimbal limit is around 7.1km in elevation at a distance of around 2.5km:
Arctan (7.1/2.5) =~ 71 deg
And I think in the chart “gimbal limit” is the combination of the seeker gimbal limit and the launcher elevation limit.
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1- WT doesn’t model reliability anyways. And this document is dated long after the missile had entered production and operational service.
Even if there were any modifications, those were just to further increase the reliability of the missile …
2- Seems like limiting the missile was only suggested as a temporary solution, before the real fix could be developed, with the final setting aimed for being 20G and 26 deg SL (selectively limited) with ERCL (Elevon Rate Command Limiter):
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