@sudo_su1 You have been keen to report the Fakour and Sedjeel, feel free to take that source and make the report to buff the Sedjil to 20G, improve the performance of that ordnance. Might make it worth bringing.
Additionally, @David_Bowie If the Sedjil (I-HAWK) can easily maneuver at 20G even in single plane, why is the Phoenix still being held back from reaching 24-25G?
I will reformulate the report with that. Thanks
Such a cool missile going to waste, they seriously need to do something about the Sedjil.
I want to test the Fakour missile using vertical launch platform in-game and see if it performs to what is shown for the min range in the document, would you guys know what the elevation limit is for the MIM-23 HAWK launcher? @MiG_23M @sudo_su1
I see that, but what is needed to be known is the original MIM-23 HAWK’s SARH seeker gimbal limit and the launcher elevation limit in order to properly test the minimum range.
Knowing what the fin deflection and G load of a missile is, won’t be enough and might still leave maneuverability on the table if min range isn’t reported
Gimbal limit is around 7.1km in elevation at a distance of around 2.5km:
Arctan (7.1/2.5) =~ 71 deg
And I think in the chart “gimbal limit” is the combination of the seeker gimbal limit and the launcher elevation limit.
1- WT doesn’t model reliability anyways. And this document is dated long after the missile had entered production and operational service.
Even if there were any modifications, those were just to further increase the reliability of the missile …
2- Seems like limiting the missile was only suggested as a temporary solution, before the real fix could be developed, with the final setting aimed for being 20G and 26 deg SL (selectively limited) with ERCL (Elevon Rate Command Limiter):
Has it been reported that the IAF F-14 cannot mount AIM-54A in the wing pylons?
Is there any source for that?
Did the F-14AM ever use AIM-9Ls?
Iran never got AIM-9L
Offtopic
I think you and DocUSMC have like a secret cult of trolling people who do much as dare to correct obviously false statements about the US.
If you want to continue this discussion let’s take it the the PMs
Oh goodie. Hope you have fun with that. Anyways @Pacifica you can do your thingy. Also clean up our little discussion here we were very off topic lol
um… ok… thats not weird at all…
So, I am not the only one thats been seeing that lately too then ?.. Good to know!
And yes… Off topic… Weirdness and secret cult of trolling people comments removed…
Back on Topic… Thanks!
I am saying that in-game it cannot mount AIM-54 on the wing pylon, not that it shouldn’t be able to.
Iranian F-14 would be justified to have AIM-9L added to it. There is precedence here.
I have not yet seen any photos of Iranian F-14 with AIM-54 under the wings.
But then again, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be able to mount them, unless the fire control system was intentionally downgraded/limited to only 4 Phoenix missiles. Which I have not seen any indication for anywhere.
@MiG_23M One possibility would be that they didn’t buy the Phoenix adapter for the wing pylons and then after the revolution / start of Iran-Iraq war, didn’t bother to make one (like they did for Sedjeel and Fakour) either, since Phoenix stock was limited and it didn’t make sense to mount 6 on a single aircraft.
