The most known ragebaiter on the forum is telling me there is no ragebaiting in this topic ok bro
I’m not really in the mood to deal with arrogant people in any other way. He’s spewing misinformation, so whether or not his concern is “valid” doesn’t really matter. It’s not my or anyone else’s job to baby people on this forum.
and what happens when you got cold or hot? it relocks you, you need to stay in the notch to dodge them,
when i was starting to play top tier arb(in f16c,f15c,f15a), i wasnt really good at notching, so i defeated missiles by going cold and defeating them kinetically, i needed to learn how to notch because of fakours, they ALWAYS killed me, so yeah they can track cold targets man
got me there, im wrong
no it doesnt, the fakours goes mach 5 and loses barely any speed, making it harder to dodge then the aim54a, so yeah it doesnt perform the same,
my gameplay is quite aggressive so i love being in the heat, i NEED to know how to notch so yeah, my gameplay doesnt revolve around firing 4 missiles and running back to the air field
Fakours cannot track rear aspect for the 1,907,645th time.
Try launching a fakour against a cold target. You will see missile seeker will show up as a grey circle. That means the missile currently cannot see the target.
You will almost never see Mach 5 with the Fakour. Same as the Aim-120. It also impacts only around 0.2 Mach faster than the Phoenix, which means it definitely does lose speed. The seeker on the Fakour and Phoenix are the same, so they’re both defeated the exact same way.
nvm i was wrong, the fakour can only reach 4.2(at its max) launch from 7.5km alt going mach 1.3, while the aim54a(at same alt/speed) goes mach 3.2(at its max), still thats a whole mach diff and the acceleration is night and day between them, fakour reaches mach 3.6 under 2 to 4 seconds after launch reaches 4.2 at its max and drops to mach 3.6 in its drop, so yeah, while the aim54a takes its sweet of 6-7 seconds and only stays 3.2 for couple seconds only to drop to mach 2.3 in its drop, so i maybe wrong that it goes mach 5, but the fakour 90 still out performs it
Try actually using the F-14 in an uptier. Its F90s work as they usually do. You still catch people out - 13.0… 14.0… doesn’t matter. F-14 is fine at 13.0. Won’t say no to better missiles, but it’s still fun and good.
I was a bit concerned with it going up, but actually using it… it’s business as usual.
They absolutely can, you need to hold notch, chaff and change direction to dodge them just like you would any other Fox-3. Killed this poor soul today. Turning, chaffing, the seeker got fooled for a second but reacquired the moment he went cold. You can see from his RWR that he’s being locked and clearly the Phoenix was tracking because it followed his turn.
At least that’s the case for Phoenixes and you said yourself:
This checks out because the Fakour from my teammate was also tracking him, but my Phoenix was there like half a second faster lol.
This is you firing the phoenix? Because it very much looks like the F-14 is holding the lock. You can see the RWR shows a radar lock from very far away and a missile very close, which matches what seems to be happening here. If you hold the lock in rear aspect, the missile is still going to track based on the radar and DL. So even if the radar is chaffed, it’ll still track, similar to the Aim-7F.
There is also a caveat to the head-on-only seeker. It’s possible that at high altitudes, the Phoenix/Fakour doesn’t slow down as much, which means the speed difference between the missile and the plane means it could track in “head-on” mode while being rear aspect. However, it’s extreme parameters that make that happen.
Can you share the same clip, but show what track type the missile is in? I’m interested to see if what I suspect is true.
Yes it’s me, when I hit him I was already headed towards my base. Missile did all the work here all by itself.
I’m not sure what you mean by showing the track type but that’s the replay if you’re interested: Gaijin Entertainment - Single Sign On
I just did the usual: climb, fire in TWS, wait until missiles go active, turn back to base.
bro turns back to base after firing his fox3s
I’m cosplaying as the average F-14 player every time I play it, as you can tell from my record it’s very effective and easy playstyle.
I’m stumped honestly. I’ve defeated Aim-54As, Cs, I personally never waste chaff on Fakours. I avoid them all by simply by going cold and I’ve seen my enemies do that too.
It will work most of the time because majority of people don’t know how to launch Phoenixes/Fakours properly. They launch them at acute angles, from low altitude and 50km+ away. Against a bad launch going cold works because the missile temporarily looses track when you turn around and even if it reacquires, it has no energy to pull after you.
I launched from around 25-30km going M1.3 at 8km altitude, giving the missile plenty of energy which is why it managed to catch up to him. The missile was going well over M1.5 in the last few seconds while the F-20 was going around M1.0, which is plenty enough speed difference for PD radar to pick him up.
Phoenixes can’t track in a notch, but as long as there is big enough speed difference between the missile and the target, it will track.
You don’t?
One of the reasons that the this machine is a relaxing way to grind the event, is because of the ability to launch between 60-80KM out, float in the sky with your air break on as you guide them in (for as long as possible after they’ve gone pit bull in case the missile wants to phone home to mother), and then fly back to the airfield to rinse and repeat for another run.
Does it work all the time? nah.
Does it work enough times to make it a priority strategy? You betchya.
And if all things go right, you’ll have enough kills/score to make the whole battle worthwhile after your initial launch and anything after that is a bonus. One of my battles last night grinding the event:
That isn’t to say I didn’t get some R27R and AIM-9P kills last night, but this was mainly when I felt that either my team or the enemy team were already at a critical point at that early stage of the battle and all hands were needed on deck, even if it was just to present myself as bait to help my team out.
You don’t find yourself in situations like this often (ignore the random cope flaring from me):
Typically, you’ll be interrupted by a FOX-3, Magic 2, or some other interrupting missile. Sometimes it really is just better to be that support jet slinging your F90… again… and again… and again.
