F-14 Tomcat: History, Performance & Discussion

[Smin1080p_WT]

@MikeyPlayzonYT

With all due respect, Smin, that response essentially confirms the concern. The F-14 had a real, pilot-controlled AoA limiter override. It’s documented.

This has never been denied. Other aircraft also do, such as the Tornado. I confirmed this to you in my original answer via PM, that it was simply due to the unstable nature it would cause for them, along with little to no gameplay benefit being the developers reason for it. It was never a question of the existence of a switch or not and never just a case of just the F-14 being left out.

@MikeyPlayzonYT

If other aircraft are allowed to override limiters for gameplay reasons, then denying the F-14 that same historically accurate control while others benefit from similar features is disregarding history in practice, even if not in intention.

The feature was not introduced on the pure basis of if that aircraft historically had the switch or not. It was a gameplay mechanic for high AoA aircraft of a modern / fly by wire nature.

@MikeyPlayzonYT

This isn’t about “what exists in real life” being in dispute. It’s about consistency. If gameplay balance is the driving force, then the application of limiter removal should be even-handed.

Sadly this is not the case. Some aircraft that could hypothetically have this feature have little to no gameplay benefit to do so. In fact the opposite, where it causes negative gameplay outcomes for many that would try to use it. More so than many of the aircraft that can currently make use of the feature.

[quartas121]

@Smin1080p_WT

high AoA aircraft of a modern / fly by wire nature.

so is there a possibility of it being removed from the F-15 and added back to Advanced Eagle series F-15 (new FBW system)?

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@Smin1080p_WT

due to the unstable nature it would cause for them

Isn’t the entire point of the feature to reduce stability for more AoA?

@Smin1080p_WT

high AoA aircraft of a modern / fly by wire nature

Saab 35 Draken had it added…

@Smin1080p_WT

In fact the opposite, where it causes negative gameplay outcomes for many that would try to use it.

I haven’t gone a day where I haven’t had an Su-33 try to do a cobra on takeoff and die… That’s a negative gameplay outcome. It (rightly) shouldn’t lose access to the AoA button because of that. I don’t think this is a big factor in this.

[warthogboy09]

It’s not technically wrong to be on the F-15A-E, as it is possible to do and the airframe can actually take advantage of the increased AoA.
It’s just kind of jank from a technical standpoint, to the point that the joke is the system is so overwhelmingly complex the engineer who designed it drove himself to self delete.

[Smin1080p_WT]

@MikeyPlayzonYT

Isn’t the entire point of the feature to reduce stability for more AoA?

For those aircraft that can make the most benefit of that yes.

@MikeyPlayzonYT

Saab 35 Draken had it added

Exactly that, as an aircraft that benefits from it.

[MatrixRupture]

Basically all planes could get the AOA override? Or are you trying to say the planes that do get it are just the favorites.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

@Smin1080p_WT

For those aircraft that can make the most benefit of that yes.

Well the F-14 can pull just over 90 degrees of AoA without doing any of that seesaw stuff to get it there. The F-15 and Gripen cannot (infact getting to 90 is a struggle for them). So speaking with the most benefit, the F-14 should have it and maybe the Gripen and F-15 shouldn’t…

@Smin1080p_WT

Exactly that, as an aircraft that benefits from it.

Sure you could say it benefits from it, but it’s also not a modern or fly-by-wire aircraft like you said the feature was for.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

*The DEV’s favorites

[MatrixRupture]

@MikeyPlayzonYT

Well the F-14 can pull just over 90 degrees of AoA without doing any of that seesaw stuff

Unfortunately buffet exists and this is not true, however the F-14 could pull respectable AOA.

[Smin1080p_WT]

@MikeyPlayzonYT

Sure you could say it benefits from it, but it’s also not a modern or fly-by-wire aircraft like you said the feature was for.

The aircraft is a high AoA Modern aircraft, as I said:

@Smin1080p_WT

It was a gameplay mechanic for high AoA aircraft of a modern

Draken is precisely the type of aircraft the feature was intended for.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

?? I have a video of me pulling 90 degree AoA.

[MatrixRupture]

The Harrier Jump jet IRL can easily turn inside of the F-14 yet its terrible in game its limited to 16 degrees AOA vs the 40 it can pull IRL before even reaching buffet but that wont be changed.

[MatrixRupture]

IRL I don’t think you’ve flown an F-14.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

What in the world does that have to do with the F-14.

[MatrixRupture]

You mentioned Devs favorite. I just made a comment how this will likely be a pointless battle.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

I don’t really care frankly.

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

Ingame smart alec.

[quartas121]

good thing they have AIM-54’s that IRL werent held back by exaggerated MP ingame, and IRL could pull over 24g

[MikeyPlayzonYT]

So what about my main point…

@MikeyPlayzonYT

@Smin1080p_WT

For those aircraft that can make the most benefit of that yes.

Well the F-14 can pull just over 90 degrees of AoA without doing any of that seesaw stuff to get it there. The F-15 and Gripen cannot (infact getting to 90 is a struggle for them). So speaking with the most benefit, the F-14 should have it and maybe the Gripen and F-15 shouldn’t…

[Smin1080p_WT]

I have answered you on this matter several times. Sadly the answer is not going to change just by changing the question a little:

Currently there are several aircraft (F-14, Tornado F.3 and some others) that have this feature IRL but do not currently in game. As unlike the other aircraft that already have it, it would lead to a far more unstable flight model with very little beneficial gain to gameplay.