When I said counter part I meant between those two aircraft the ML and MLD
thats what im talking about
the difference between the F4J and F4S is less of a improvent due to insane speed bleed then the MIG-23 ML to MLD which just over handles way better the ML in FM performance due to the upgraded wings and doesn’t dump speed in sustained turns
it goes from the ML being slightly better in FM then some of the weaker dogfighters to being able to out dogfight things in the BR range just in max G load difference the MIG-23 ML 7.5G X 1.5G = 11.25G mig 23 MLD can do 8.5G X 1.5G = 12.75G which rounded is 13G you can keep up in a dogfight with MIG-29 or F16 with that level of over load
It breaks at 2.25M
might be due to how gaijin does the models for some reason for example look at MIG-25 its max speed is 3.2 but the plane breaks at 3.05 which is the speed the engines overheat at but gaijin models over heat from excessive speed as airframe destruction
I wonder if it would be too hard to implement overheat by speed, i mean, we already have overheat in game, but caused by other parameters 🤔
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I think someone should make a suggestion form for the f14A to get aim9L and f14B to get aim9m
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I do that many time AHHHHHHHH!. But no nothing.
Yeah I asked for the requirements for the “f14D to get AMRAAMs” suggestions forum and they sent me this
So has anyone made a bug report on it at least?
is the f14d ingame?
how are you going to make a bug report for a vehicle that isnt ingame
If you read like any context at all it’s extremely obvious he’s referring to a bugreport for Aim-9s on the current F-14s we have ingame, not the 14D.
Do better.
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About the AIM-120s for the F-14D discussion, would you guys prefer it being 13.7 with AMRAAMs or 13.3 without em, having 54C+, 7Ps, 9Ms? I Would prefer the latter, we already have a 13.7 airframe with 120s in game, F-15C MSIP, which is very competent. F-14D with AIM-120s would just be a sidegrade to it, i think it would remain more unique with only the 54s
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For the AMRAAM, no. It would be rejected on the grounds that the F-14D is not implemented in game yet. And so we would need to wait until it turns up on Dev at minimum, before AMRAAMs had a chance, For the F-14A or -14B test airframes it would be possible but unlikely to stand due to the probability of struggling to prove that these aircraft remained in a Fleet standard configuration (e.g. were “YF-14’s” (none produced initially), not “ZF-14”) at the time.
As for the F-14A/B to get the later Sidewinder variants; yes they do exist though many are not accepted at this point and it’s hard to know if it has been due to them not being marked as a duplicate of an existing report, or just straight up refused, and besides by '77 the F-14A should probably have the AXX-1 TCS mounted, since we’ve got various Block 135 features (production began FY84) modeled in game which makes the configuration anachronistic anyway.
Though the -9L for the F-14A has been previously rejected due to having it’s configuration held to that which is described in the '77 SAC, though we know it was tested on the Airframe prior (June) at NAS China Lake.
F-14A Early could carry AIM-9L sidewinder
" Current armament is intentional, better armament will increase BR."
AIM-9L on F-14A Early
“Currently, F-14A (Early) is based on its 1977 configuration without the AIM-9L.”
As such it should be assumed that Gaijin are aware, Also as the F-14A remained in limited service into the late '80s the AIM-9M is also an option(I’d personally much rather the AIM-95 & VTAS III but what can you do?), alongside the -9X for the F-14D.
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In order for the F-14D to be 13.3 without AMRAAMs it would need (at a minimum) 3 of the 5 major buffs to the Phoenix to be implemented. Given how Gaijin has treated the Phoenix I would want the latter like you, but AMRAAMs seems more realistic.
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what buffs are these?
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Different Motors, (Smokeless and Mk.60), better seeker, 25G maneuvering, and better loft.
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Aim54 aren’t even unique can’t even shoot them at 50+ miles or even reliable enough to kill
That’s cool but it ain’t no tomcat also I think it could be 13.3 with AMRAAMS
If the tomcat had more funding their would be a lot more missiles especially when the aim54 were gonna get retired out for aim152 and amraams (120c,D) and aim7 for AMRAAMs also the aim9X
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Well, I suppose so, but sadly the Soviet Union collapsed and the Cold War ended, so the Tomcat was retired due to budget issues. Ultimately, the AMRAAM was never deployed operationally on the Tomcat, and frankly, implementing it in the game isn’t really a great idea. But the AIM-152 might be okay, right? If we’re going to implement one anyway, wouldn’t that be better?
Well, that’s just my personal opinion.
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Sadly personally I still think it had a role to play against foxbats/crusie missiles/bombers/awacs
Yeah sadly it didn’t get enough time or funding for AMRAAMs and I think it would be a good idea personally
Cool missile but from what I read about it is that was just that no testing was done only wind tunnel testing I don’t even think drop testing where done with it Unlike with the amraam we have more solid proof that a f14 did successfully test them
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The Yak-141 is in the game, with stores and an IRSTS (and getting the R-73 with the coming update). Giving the F-14s planned ordnance would only be fair, considering how much it is struggling.
I’ve personally relegated them to Arcade Assault to work on spading them gradually.
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