D would have AIM-7Ps plus new radar of APG-71 would make a solid option for 13.0 in naval line and probably other minor new things like gbus and stuff
Considering we effectively have the F-14B as is implemented in game, in a post 2000 “F-14B(U)” configuration (Has Sparrowhawk HUD and JDAM) unless they reach for theoretically possible stores (JSOW), (items like the AGM-88 were trialed on both the F-14B & -14D(R)) there is no difference in access to A2G ordnance. Between the F-14B & F-14D.
Though in the -14D’s favor would be access to the F-15E’s A2G mapping & MTI modes.
Hell even the F-14A could get SALH PGMs & the LITENING pod & AXX-1 TCS. If it were to be modeled in a maximalist capacity (since a Late 14A never turned up).
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I don’t think the apg71 is 13.0 material especially with aim7p and aim9m and hopefully a better aim54c+ but who know it might just be like the aim54c is to the aim54A barely a difference especially since theirs no other jet with aim7p with aim9m around that br with also hopefully a good radar like the f14D it’s gonna be 13.3-13.7 and I would be hella surprised if it does come out to be 13.0 especially since if I’m not wrong it’s gonna have better armament, better radar with tcs/irst, AN/APX-100(V) Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) ,somewhat improved FM handling, an/alr-67(v)4 rwr and some other stuff
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gaijin needs to do something for multipath, its piss easy to defeat in the first place at least it should be that easy to multipath, most my aim54s get multipathed with no crit damage, for how long will this absolutely braindead playstyle be a constant at these tiers?
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F14D would be a fine 13.0 it would be a lot better for it at 13.0 then the fantasy BR facing rafales
and only reason theres no 13.0 with 9Ms and AIM-7Ps is that no NON naval plane had the AIM-7P F14B cant use them properlly due to not having stations for them
F14D will be the only tech tree plane with them at a useble br
and until they decompress the BRs it cant go higher than 13.0 and its probably not gonna be added for a long time if they ever even decide to add it
if the f15A had them at same br it would be 13.0 AIM-7P tracking boost is a moderate upgrade but doesnt make them better than R27ERs
the only reason there at 12.7 is cause gaijin likes premiums
It’s going to be 13.3 no matter what.
It’s also literally a better F-15C MSIP II as a platform and what it loses out from the Strike Eagle it makes up in kit, avionics, and maneuverability. It’s more than capable of fighting in 13.7 lobbies IMO. Even though it’s still a Phoenix you can still outrange pretty much anything fired at you (Except C-5s within 50km) and AMRAAM followups with more opportunities to do so will be dangerous.
I see it like this.
You bring a loadout of 2x AIm-54C ECCM, 6x Aim-120A, 2x Aim-9M and around 40 minutes of fuel. You burn climb up to ~10,000m and on the way you launch 2 Aim-54s at high powered BVR targets like the EFT and F-15E at around 75km, forcing them defensive and giving the Aim-54 best case scenario for a hit. You level out, scan for more targets, and By the time you reach Mach 1.2 your Phoenixes are pitbull. Using your greatly improved radar you’ve effectively made 2 “better aircraft” than you go completely defensive and maybe even die to Phoenixes before they ever even get to fire a missile at you or your team. From there you cruise at mil seeing if any targets show up in BVR and fire on them too. You still have 6 missiles to to this job and a radar and IRST that have more than enough capability to maintain situational awareness. Obviously in the 20-30km arena you’re pretty much on par or outclassed by most things in an uptier but you have the possibility to take over BVR and still be a very effective fighter afterwards. I think that’s what we all want from a toptier fighter.
ARH missiles shouldn’t be effected by multipath in my opinion. I hope the new Aerial Warfare mode they’re making allows for enough variability to be implemented that they can finally remove it (at least effectively I know it’s a real thing just not to the effect ingame)
Uh… This link is straight from Marvin Group (The people who make the LAU- series of Pylons)
"The LAU-127 is a rail launcher designed to enable the Navy F-14 and F/A18 aircraft to carry and launch
AMRAAM. It provides the electrical and mechanical interface between the missile and launch aircraft as well as the twoway data transfer between missile and cockpit controls and displays to support preflight orientation and control circuits to prepare and launch the missile. The launcher will also be capable of carrying and launching the AIM9L/M SIDEWINDER missile."
Also some context this site was made around 1997 as can be inferred by the lack of AIm-9X included in the description.
Infact now that I think about it, these do kinda look like LAU-12X series.
I guess they never officially gave it the pylons because why would they? It’s a wasted pylon since service variants of Tomcats weren’t cleared for AMRAAM use. Probably just left it to the Hornet for simplicity’s sake. Cool stuff nonetheless.
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This is wild, stock planes cant compete without multipath. Even with multipath, most of the planes have horrendous grind. I’m grinding the F-15C Golden Eagle right now and even with the 12 AMRAAMs it isnt that strong because the lack of performance (which wont even be solved with the performance modifications), let alone without multipath and chaff
its not thats completely fraudlant claim F15C with HMD AIM-120As is like 3 and strongest 13.7 behind grippen jas39C and J10A in game it will be a better Avonics F14B with a lower TWR and new weapons it will not beat the F15C and highly doubt it be 13.3
aim54 in its current form does not beat the AIM-120A you dont even have angle gating on the AIM-54 you can just turn and pop chaff its so sad the ECCM AIM-54 will be a heavier AIM-54C the AIM-54A is literally better just due to the weight difference as they such little differences
it will be a worse F15C at same br having the same struggles as the F15C MSIP struggles in uptiers cause everything you fight is better in every way
it will be 13.0 just like the F14B until they decompress the BRs cause gaijin isnt unknown for putting upgraded vehciles at same br as there earlier versions due to br compression for example
F100A and D both 9.3
F4S F4J both same br 12.0
MIG-23MLD ML and MLA 11.7
A4E A4B same br 8.7
AV8A AV8C same br 9.7
F14D would be americas best 13.0 option being a better F15A being capable of going TOE to TOE with SU33s in range and fairly decent at WVR due to better tracking of APG-71 and datalink systems on AIM-7P help quite a bit for there tracking
assuming you had this kit it would be 13.7 which means these high powered planes are not gonna be EFT or F15Es it will be a SU30SM2 or RAFALE both can fire missiles at you while on defensive you will loose youll only have AIM-120As and AIM-54s dont have the acceleration do get within effective range before something a R27ER AIM120C5 will especially on a EFT or F15E or SM2
R27ER of doom and despair +240 degree radar
also F14D will be a worse BVR platform due to lower TWR of 1.02 instead of 1.05
Completely a stockgrind issue. I’ve massively advocated for modification based BRs and decompression to severely cut down on this issue.
Yap
As a platform (not including weapons) The F-14D is on par or better than the F-15C MSIP II. You have the around the same climb and same speed. The F-14 turns slightly worse but keeps it’s speed tremendously, making it a better FM for RB. It also doesn’t compress nearly as badly. The F-14D will have better avionics in it’s Radar, RWR, and IRST (something the F-15C MSIP II lacks). It will also have better dogfight maneuverability if it comes down to that. The only thing it lacks is HMD, which to be honest, won’t be a big issue with how AMRAAMs and Phoenixes perform ingame. The radar upgrade to ACM being 19km will be more than enough for the situations you should be getting into with the F-14D.
This will only be the case if Aim-54s don’t get changes, which we have sources for that they will, given competency.
Maybe if you try to play it like an F-15C. But you have more missiles, better avionics, and overall better flight performance.
You can’t be serious. 1st of all, there are only 4 13.0 planes in the US TT, and half of them are F-14s. That’s not exactly a competitive area. 2. You are not beating SU-27s or SU-33s WVR with Aim-7Ps even if you had an F-22.
Sounds better to me… The Rafale can’t shoot until even closer and has no range while the Su-30SM2 turns like a boat AND loses all it’s speed with it’s missiles also speedbleeding too. Sounds like an easy plane to BVR and not worry about return fire and a plane who’s a prime Phoneix target (due to RWR zones being terrible) with easily ran away from missiles. The R-27ET would be my biggest threat with the current way engine heat is handled.
Rafale can’t quite get there and the SU-30SM2’s not only is overperforming but also still can be notched.
Aim-120s do and Aim-54s will be used from BVR so I’m not sure what you’re talking about here…
Such a marginal difference not even the US Navy covered it in their performance charts.
Also, PLEASE use like any form of punctuation. This was a hard read.
new engines make it way better than it was for the SM this may be true but for the SM2 its not
they’ve literally said there not going to buff the AIM-54 its never going to happen weve submitted 15 billion bug reports
you only win in performance at low speed and your TWR is lower than the F15Cs you wont be outclimbing the F15C he will be at mach 1.5 before you especially if you have any aim54s on the plane
F14 only out does the F15C at lowspeed especially in turnfights
not really, rafale is so damn fast to the point where even though the mica may technically have less range, you are still going to have to defend from it cause it can go 1800 kph in less than 1 minute 30 seconds at 8+km altitude, and thus give micas insane energy. Doesn’t matter how garbage the missile is in range if its launched super fast at super high altitude.
not at all actually. You would be surprised. You can say this about the base su-30s though below around 900 kph with mouse aim.
f-14d is DOA if its given a br above 13.3
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also you have to remember, f-14b is basically on par with standard su-30sm in acceleration. Su-30sm2 completely outclasses it. And let’s not even talk about the lighter flankers, like j-11a/su-27sm/su-27s/j-11 etc that beat it even harder
8km altitude, starting speed 700 kph at 100% wing sweep.
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I’ll take the L on this one last time I checked out the SM2 was the dev before the Engine Changes.
They didn’t say that. They said they refuse to model dual plane maneuvering and that’s about it.
I don’t know what stats those are pulling from but if there’s a gameplay stat for the F-14 it’s bound to to broken if it includes any degree of wingsweep. The main thing that will massively handicap your climbrate with the F-14s are the tanks. Otherwise I have no issue getting to 9000 meters at ~Mach 1 in a 45-55 degree climb that normally puts me at ~70km from other climbing planes. For current AirRB that seems pretty good to me.
Also high velocity and better climbers like EFT and F-15E are just better Phoenix targets. Easier tracks of the Phoenix and harder to dodge for them especially early on. Before decompression those were my most consistent kills with the Phoenix.
Yeah I probably shouldn’t have said that about god emperor Ravioli.
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This is false f14 has enough speed to climb and go fast and the f14D dosent need to out climb other jets to be good just like the f14B does for 13.0 for the f14D especially with stuff like with aim54c+ and or aim120A paired with a apg71 and no it dosent mean it would instantly get artificial nerfed it will do fine in a 13.3-13.7 br and I like how you always say “oh but when it gets a top tier match it won’t do good” being at 13.7 it won’t always be fighting against top tier btw the f14B also fights against 13.7 and does well at times also
Like I said I like how your saying “oh but it’s fighting top tier jets it won’t do good ” when this isn’t true either way most of those jets are getting nerfed to a higher br
Also their is no 13.7 with missile with 120c,r77-1 and other then the f15E,ef2000,su30sm, typhoon for.4 witch will stay at 14.0-14.3. R27er are already at 13.0-13.7 and their not really always shot from bvr range and aim54c+ may not be fast enough to counter a 120c but it can still be effective against aim120c users especially if they think they don’t need to notch and aim54c+ with a stronger motor and stronger eccm it should do better. Also if this is true 13.7 planes will be suffering a lot more against 14.0-14.3 planes also the f14 is capable of reaching 1 to 1 thrust ratio especially when you able to lose half it weight flying and shooting aim54c missiles at bvr range and on small maps I don’t even take a full fuel load and only carry two aim54 will carrying 3 aim7m and bol/aim9L or 2 aim7m and 3 pods/9L 2 aim54c