Bruh you say that like they ain’t adding mig29n/su30’s and like I said other fox3 plus before the br compression it was fighting the rafales so I’m already use to dealing with them or anything similar like j11a,su30mk2,JAS39EBS HU C, Baz Meshupar, jf17,and j10 etc… not to mention most of those planes have better radar capabilities with some even having hmd
Plus the fact is the f14D is probably gonna be 13.7 because of the radar being as good as the f15E apg70
the radar alone would not justify 13.7 if so whys the hornet at 12.3
these all way easier to beat than the rafale you can easly dodge the radars cause there bad the only ones you cant easily beat are 13.7s which is different
and i highly doubt itll receiev aim 120s and i hope it doesnt as it would be a waist of a good 13.0
Thinking it’s gonna be 13.0 is pure cope and the f18 being at 12.3 is probably bc it has aim7m and aim9L and it not hard to take out
Yeah they’re not easy to take out especially with how many missile they carry and they can quickly re lock onto and just send another one your way to the point your relying on multi path and the f14’s bad rcs also bol pods barely are effective that your spamming them like in top gun
Either way it’s facing rafales. Toptier is still going to be 14.3 so it’s going to face them for the time being anyway. Might as well get an increase in capability.
Something might change till they will finally add 14D
F-14D at 13.3 without AMRAAM OR significant buff to its aim-54 would be DOA imo.
aim-9M and aim-7P are not 13.3 weapons. It would still have to face much more maneuverable aircraft with access to an HMD (and in many cases 35G+ fox-3) and do poorly in the furball. As a long range support, the IRIAF would still do a better job.
The all-aspect PD radar is also not 13.3 material and something that is common as low as the 12.3-12.7 br bracket…I don’t know why some even use this as a justification for a br increase. The tomcat used to have the best radar in the game, now it has one of the worst, if not the worst at 13.0.
I see 2 path, either they keep it at 13.0 with only the aim-9m and aim-7p (which the F-14B already should have had after its br increase), or they put it at 13.3(13.7 after new decompression) with aim-120. I think it’s more likely than Gaijin fixing the phoenix. Reason I’m not saying 13.7 as starting point is that it could “only” carry 6 amraam and would get eaten at close range for the reasons I mentioned above.
this is true next decompression i do want to see certain things moved up including all current 13.3s so things like Su33 su27 F15A etc stuff are not facing things like F4J at 12.0 even compared to most 13.0s there far better
Supporting by data bus doesn’t mean they were able to launch and guide from F-14D.
Saying the F-14D can use AMRAAM just because it has a 1553B bus is like saying a your aged Windows XP computer can run modern devices just because it has USB ports.
To put it in avionics and computer science terms, MIL-STD-1553B is strictly a “Transport Layer.” Think of it as a telephone line connecting the Mission Computer to the rail; the bus itself is dumb and doesn’t understand what data it’s moving. It relies entirely on the Operational Flight Program (OFP) to define the message structure. Without the specific software tape for the AMRAAM, the F-14D’s computer literally doesn’t know which memory locations on the missile to write the target data to. It’s physically connected, but there’s no protocol to translate the guidance data.
Also, you hit the hard wall of the MIL-STD-1760 interface.
When you start up aircraft, the Stores Management System immediately queries the missile for a “Store ID.” The missile will reply, but since F-14Ds software lacks the lookup table for the AIM-120, the computer is going to flag the station as an “Unknown Store” or “Station Fail.”
This isn’t just a UI glitch. It controls the safety logic. Because the system flags the store as invalid, the mission computer will never generate the “Release Consent” signal required by the critical safety interlocks. The firing circuit remains physically open. That’s mean, practically speaking, you have a missile that you can’t talk to, can’t initialize, can’t guide. It’s just expensive dead weight on the pylon.
Only things what you can do is just jettison those AMRAAMs or maybe launch it and see go fly straight instead tracking someone.
The same argument applies to the JDAM on the F-14B(U) because the VF-102 F-14Bs received data bus upgrades but never received the Sparrowhawk HUD or OFP 321 software required to handle JDAMs. Consequently, while their F-14Bs can physically carry JDAMs, they cannot use them.
If the Super Tomcat came with AIM-120 I think it will be ok. Just like YAK-141 that have R27ER, F16AJ.
Or if it came with AIM-7P and AIM-9M i’m also ok with that.
Per the navair the f-14D can use them.
Per the US government’s GAO it was planned “when their computer software is updated”
https://www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-95-12.pdf
IF the capability was added via a software upgrade, that’s extremely likely given tech upgrades. But I’m not sure if they were actually allowed the use on the flightline. IMO it was more of a “it can use it if we’re in a pinch.”
There’s even a document alluding to the F-14D being capable of using the AIM-9x (in reduced capacity) but it didn’t say unclassified so I’m not linking it.
And that corroborates what I said that it was given the capability but never put on the flight line.
Edit: Here you go, AMRAAM INT (integration) line item for the F-14 upgrade in 2001
The jet had the capability via software upgrade.
I mean even SACs issued during active service sometimes contain errors, and these can still be found in the F-14 variants currently available online. Also, Pre-service ones means just that they are “in planning.”
For example, take the AN/ALR-23 infrared seeker for the F-14A. In the 1977 SAC used by Gaijin for modeling the F-14A Early in the game, references to it had already been removed.
However, examining the actual NAVAIR flight manuals(NAVAIR 01-F14AAA-1) reveals descriptions suggesting it remained as available at least until 1980. That’s precisely why, despite being a primary source, I have absolutely no trust in SAC.
Wasn’t this document originally prepared with the assumption that the F-14D would remain in service until around 2010, the year it was scheduled to be retired?
Unfortunately, its retirement was brought forward in 2006 tho.
From how the US government works it was actions specifically planned for that year and included upgrades that were missed due to 1999 budget. Northrup wasn’t paid for the tape and they wanted their money.
I bet they already had it completed and were sitting waiting for that contract to go through.
I’m curious too see how many people want the f14D to come with AMRAAMS
Should the f14D get AMRAAMS?
I wouldn’t mind them having AIM-120As due to the lackluster fox3 WVR performance of the phoenix.
But then it would be at 13.7 minimum. Not really sure that the flight model would hang with the jets in that area.
The f14B did for awhile before 14.3 was added the f14D will be more capable obviously because of the apg71 being as good as the apg70 and I don’t mind it being 13.7
IMO It would be ok if they fixed 54s irl level
Stt won’t be added anytime soon supposedly for the aim54 and lofting is apart of the stt and it’s a slow missile if you have any f14 that has aim54 you can check your self it avg speed is Mach 3.0-4.0 for it to reach Mach 5 its needs specific conditions like 35,000ish+ ft up for it to reach those speeds plus the small maps don’t help it