Radar alone of the F-14A is not good enough, when it is facing premiums with AESA Radars and ARHMs
What mode are players using to make this struggle bus work?
Even head on the TWS HD mode doesn’t see the jet Infront of it
The 0.5 pd for the N007 is like 190 km for a 19m² target for all whay I’ve been able to gather. The mean of the locking ranges there correspond (typically have always been at 0.9pd and this is always around 70% max detection range on all soviet stuff I’ve gone through) to the 70% of the max detection range, thus of locking I’d expect. Put the mean at 132 75 km for track at 15km for the StD.
For the F14 the 90N.M quote is for fighter’s, quotes at 5m² nominal which I assume is 0.5pd too. The pilot interview said around 100N.M but fighters are around 2-12m² frontal.
Below is the detection commulative pdf chart for a 19m² target for both N007(blue) and the awg9(red). Put the mean detection at 190km for the N007 with the same tracking StD(15km) for both mig31’s and f14s
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10 is just 100% pd, 5 is 50%.
Maybe once f14s are all confirmed destroyed proper awg9 data gets available.
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Yeah. I posted the ranges in this post:
I would assume detection at 210 km is for PD=.50, while for capture at 160/140km it’s for PD=.90.
This is against 19m^2 tu-16 target.
50% commulative pd corresponds to the distance where 50% of targets have been detected, not the longest tatget detection. On the image you put on the left you have where target got detected, that one would corresponds to 1/10 pd, assuming gaussian its too like 10% as you can see. But on that chart, measuring things would be too long and it would give me something around 190km. So I just gave 190km as mean for my curve
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yeah i literally said gaijin has it modeled wrong its AIM54A so why should it pull more than 17g
which is why im saying its absurd it pulls 20G as the missile that they think it is way to big to fit there its AIM54A with a HAWK motor but gaijin thinks its a HAWK missile with AIM54 fins
they also weigh similar which is kinda funny
Umm from what I see on the internet it’s saying they’re the same length
the MIM-23 hawk is 3 feet longer
mim 23 is longer FAKOUR 90 IRL is a AIM 54A with a different seeker and engine
SO THERES ZERO REASON FOR IT TO PULL 20G
well IRL f14 had best Radar in the world for quite a while till like 90s it had best radar
just the AWG-9
R-33,s are not better than aim54s
Does it even pull 17g in-game?
Man I wish we had any mim-23, Sam, along with s75
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aim-54c is definitely better than r-33. But you have to compare aim-54c to r-37, which is much superior missile to aim-54c.
But aim-54a? Debatable between r-33 and aim-54a.
Aim-54a is active sure, but much worse seekerhead and worse time to target, though I think(?) it has more range. R-33 has better time to target and much better seekerhead when paired with zaslon radar, as it’s not limited to hprf
I was talking about the aim54 and f-90 length not the mm-23
R37 was not finished being developed when the aim54eccm/sealed was in service, like maybe kinematically it could’ve competed but this was Soviet Russia on what ended up being shelved. 0 chance the missile was as good as a late aim54c
it was already test launched/trialed in the 80s, just that soviet union didn’t have the money to field it in service until it got further developed into 37m
Yes, trialed, early aim54a had tons of issues, we’re talking late 80s Early 90s ussr here, pretty much at the height of the computing gap. There is pretty much no chance they could’ve produce a missile with comparable perfomance to the aim54eccm.
why? Amraam, 54c+, r-77 and k-27A were all developed and test fired in the 80s
(though, k-27a seekerhead was abysmal, and its replacement seekerhead was made, but never was actually put on a missile as r-27ea was cancelled)
I think in this case the weaknesses of the aim54s don’t play much, the one thing the is dangerous for the f14 is the zaslon. But yeah I don’t think hprf is a big issue when the enemy has to look in your general direction to guide their missiles, if the initial aim54s fail though yeah it becomes very risky as the range closes in the r-33 + zaslon combo becomes very dangerous.