I mean their 12 people on the other side and closing in fast and you got 2-4 aim54’s what else are you spouse to do bvr in this game is barely a thing and the aim54 is spouse to be a lot more better than it is now and honestly even the f14 airframe are missing some stuff like honestly you can’t side climb and go up because it’s a hdn radar and top of that the fire ball well just help people out cause everyone is dogfighting and using cms and multi pathing and either your team wipes every one out and they get wiped out
By the time that brochure was made I bet the mig-31 already existed and replaced the foxbat, and then the f-14 would’ve had to deal with much superior radar and missiles that the mig-31 had
I think that’s the point. Nothing countered the F-14 at the time. This is an 1970 ad and the MiG-31 was introduced in 1981.
The MiG-31 didn’t get the R-37M until 2011, much past the time of any F-14. And for the radar, both the AWG-9 and Zaslon had the same detection range against fighters. Actually, both radars are very similar, being able to resist jamming exceptionally well and being able to track 24 targets simultaneously. Except the obvious difference, that one came out 2 decades before the other, and on a much better platform.
And that’s comparing the Tomcat A to the 2011 MiG-31.
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What. I’m talking about 1980s mig-31b with r-33, that was SARH sure but it had ability to be fired at multiple targets at once paired with a pesa radar that was superior than that of the tomcats .
Not 2011 r37m on mig-31bm.
Better platform is debatable, since sure the f-14a was more maneuverable, but the mig-31 was much faster at all altitudes and would be able to detect and launch its missile on the f-14a before it could see it. For its role as a interceptor/airspace defender, it was superior to the tomcat
Well as you said, it’s a SARH with less maneuverability, range, and speed compared to the Phoenix. The radar might’ve been superior, but for interception and for what matters, they’re the same.
If we’re simulating a fight between the 2, the MiG-31’s speed is an advantage, but the Phoenix was specifically made to counter this scenario. And with the high closure rate, the AWG-9 will have no problem aquiring a lock alongside the Zaslon. The MiG-31 only option is to run away, since it’s missiles cannot be offensive while it’s defensive. (That seemed like the trend in real life too)
In the Tomcat’s lifespan, No, It was not.
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really questionable take.
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I would assume figures for f-14 tracking range from the outsiders view is for bombers, but at least here for Mig-31 against 19m2 tu 16 bomber it has 160km range look up 140ish km look down for target track (not detection). So they’re pretty similar
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That’s for the Hornet btw
Do we have any primary data for awg 9 other than the outsiders view?
so. you will get huge-ass mig-31 and relatively small F-14. both have ±same radar…
Not that I know of. Surprisingly, the AWG-9 is kept more on the down-low than the APG-71.
Probably due to commonality with other radars and a more digital world willing to share things.
F-14:
Wingspan:
- wings fully out: 19.55m
- wings in: 11.64m
Length: 19.1m
Mig-31:
Wingspan: 13.46m
Length: 22.69m
they have ± the same size
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no he was talking about the physical size of the planes
he was trying to make the argument that the f-14 could detect the Mig-31 from further away because its way bigger than the f-14
He replied to a comment about the AWG-9 compared Zaslon that’s why i said that.
Oh ok
well. RCS, so yeah.
not just suze, shouldve specified
and rcs is not just length/wingspan
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and how is the f-14 going to have a significantly lower RCS than the Mig-31
while having a similar physical size and no stealth features
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