I would assume figures for f-14 tracking range from the outsiders view is for bombers, but at least here for Mig-31 against 19m2 tu 16 bomber it has 160km range look up 140ish km look down for target track (not detection). So they’re pretty similar
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That’s for the Hornet btw
Do we have any primary data for awg 9 other than the outsiders view?
so. you will get huge-ass mig-31 and relatively small F-14. both have ±same radar…
Not that I know of. Surprisingly, the AWG-9 is kept more on the down-low than the APG-71.
Probably due to commonality with other radars and a more digital world willing to share things.
F-14:
Wingspan:
- wings fully out: 19.55m
- wings in: 11.64m
Length: 19.1m
Mig-31:
Wingspan: 13.46m
Length: 22.69m
they have ± the same size
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no he was talking about the physical size of the planes
he was trying to make the argument that the f-14 could detect the Mig-31 from further away because its way bigger than the f-14
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He replied to a comment about the AWG-9 compared Zaslon that’s why i said that.
Oh ok
well. RCS, so yeah.
not just suze, shouldve specified
and rcs is not just length/wingspan
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and how is the f-14 going to have a significantly lower RCS than the Mig-31
while having a similar physical size and no stealth features
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Radar alone of the F-14A is not good enough, when it is facing premiums with AESA Radars and ARHMs
What mode are players using to make this struggle bus work?
Even head on the TWS HD mode doesn’t see the jet Infront of it
The 0.5 pd for the N007 is like 190 km for a 19m² target for all whay I’ve been able to gather. The mean of the locking ranges there correspond (typically have always been at 0.9pd and this is always around 70% max detection range on all soviet stuff I’ve gone through) to the 70% of the max detection range, thus of locking I’d expect. Put the mean at 132 75 km for track at 15km for the StD.
For the F14 the 90N.M quote is for fighter’s, quotes at 5m² nominal which I assume is 0.5pd too. The pilot interview said around 100N.M but fighters are around 2-12m² frontal.
Below is the detection commulative pdf chart for a 19m² target for both N007(blue) and the awg9(red). Put the mean detection at 190km for the N007 with the same tracking StD(15km) for both mig31’s and f14s
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10 is just 100% pd, 5 is 50%.
Maybe once f14s are all confirmed destroyed proper awg9 data gets available.
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Yeah. I posted the ranges in this post:
I would assume detection at 210 km is for PD=.50, while for capture at 160/140km it’s for PD=.90.
This is against 19m^2 tu-16 target.
50% commulative pd corresponds to the distance where 50% of targets have been detected, not the longest tatget detection. On the image you put on the left you have where target got detected, that one would corresponds to 1/10 pd, assuming gaussian its too like 10% as you can see. But on that chart, measuring things would be too long and it would give me something around 190km. So I just gave 190km as mean for my curve
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yeah i literally said gaijin has it modeled wrong its AIM54A so why should it pull more than 17g
which is why im saying its absurd it pulls 20G as the missile that they think it is way to big to fit there its AIM54A with a HAWK motor but gaijin thinks its a HAWK missile with AIM54 fins
they also weigh similar which is kinda funny
Umm from what I see on the internet it’s saying they’re the same length
the MIM-23 hawk is 3 feet longer
