Are the F-16A ADFs getting 9M when they move up due to the new AMRAAMS? Because they’ll be up there without IRCCM too.
JA37DI and JA37DI F21
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just 120as
Doesn’t matter when they have the best ARH in the game. Compared to the F-14B having the worst.
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I agree that they’re probably saving them for the D, but I don’t agree with them leaving the rest of the B’s kit 12.3 worthy since they won’t fix the phoenix.
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Does anyone know, did the D ever get 9X or was it retired too early?
retired 2006 so find out when X came out and bing botta boom
This is all old and outdated information, if you can find it on google it probably has been seen before.
Then of course the stuff that hasn’t generally isn’t permissible for sharing on the forum or is a fresh FOIA, etc.
Yes there are pilot claims and a few mentions in asorted documents, but it would only by the baseline version so while a Significant step up from the -9M, it’s nowhere near the level of other 5th gen IR missiles due to maintaining the same form factor, where most others move to an 8 or 10" airframe. so doesn’t have the internal volume to keep pace with the others.
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Pilots say it used them and we have a few docs saying it was compatible.
First one from Raytheon before Aim-9X service:
After Aim-9X was but into service in the Navy:
Pilot testimony coming soon: https://youtu.be/YJW5As4Os4U?si=cfo8ceL4iOIAFCzT&t=1566
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I think you’ll find that other 5th gen IR missiles don’t really offer much over the AIM-9X as they’ve all plateau’d for the most part. The niche use cases where one is better than another are so… inconsequential.
i think mica ir ng is going to be by far the most meta missile when it comes, saying they’re all similar imo is wrong.
One thing to note is it specifically says “advanced radars” are capable of using the AMRAAM/9X. So it’s very possible integration went past backwards compatibility.
Advanced radars around the time 9X hit IOC advanced radars would have been AESA
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Those be 13.3 not 13.0, and I have no clue, they are getting AIM-120s so such is really not a issue.
Get 120s just like the F-16s that are going up, 120s are superior to 9Ms in functionally every situation unless you handicap yourself and use the C-5s for some reason. To that same end the JA37s mentioned have actual usable radars unlike the AWG-9.
i frankly know all that already
Model AN/ALR-45 correctly?
Afaik it has handsoff mode but, they doesn’t model it.
You have missiles with very difficult to counter seekers who have enhanced kinematics in dogfights and marginal increase in range over older systems. The ASRAAM can be toted as the “best” but realistically for longer ranged situations it is better off with Meteor or AMRAAM and for fast intercept short range scenarios any other IR missile will do just as good a job or better depending on the situation. Realistically let’s pretend you get an ASRAAM off at the end of the no escape range, are you really going to survive the radar missile they fired at you at the same time? I’d argue your chances are far lower for survival against a radar ordnance in that situation. For stealth something like the R-27T/ET is better where you have good range and maneuverability and it has been around for a lot longer. ASRAAM therefore is no better than a combination of R-73 and R-27T/ET which is exactly what all the other IR missiles are with few exceptions.
Stuff like the Python 5 have all directional attack capability and are better at it than ASRAAM, but when has this been something that was really necessary in real life? There are no real world scenarios that exist where it can effectively use these advantages over other IR missiles.
TL;DR outside of War Thunder these missiles are effectively not any more or less useful than one another and you’d rather never have to use them at all. Ever.
For the purposes of the game I feel the ASRAAM will likely have a nerfed seeker and feel more akin to R-27ET levels of useful at the BR it exists due to MAWS and other features. Imagine thinking you could ever surprise an Su-57 for example with an ASRAAM let alone the Eurofighter. Laughable.
As for the F-14, giving the F-14D an AIM-9X without HMD would make it about as useful as the AIM-9M on the F-14B (something they shouldn’t do, tbqh).