Su-24M is slower than the F-111 and has 4x R-60Ms which have a shorter range than the Aim-9L. F-111F also carries 6x Aim-9Ls and a LOT more CMs.
Tornados rarely reach bases because the F-4s get there first. So its a mute point really, but in a flat line run. F-111s reach a higher overall top speed. Also where the Tornado only has 56 flares. The F-111F could take 240 if they so chose. F-111F also has a bigger bomber payload than the Tornado and whilst I dont think it should be considered in the BR. Gaijin does.
All in all. I’d place the Su-24M and the WTD61, MFG and A200 Tornados correctly at 11.3 and the F-111C/F at 11.7.
The problem though does exist for the Tornado Gr1, A200A and ASSTA1 which are identical to the earlier tornados bar GBUs and yet have the higher BR. They need a buff of some description to justify the higher BR, but what is hard, because I wouldnt want them to go up in BR at all. Leaning towrads Aim-9Li, but that might even be enough to bump it up.
Either way. F-111F with 240 CMs and 6x Aim-9Ls at 11.3 is just insane.
That being said. It doesnt matter. You could give the F-111F 6x Aim-9X, 1000 CMs and make 11.0 and it would still face the same problem. ARB is not designed for any ground attack aircraft. In fact its practically designed to be bad for them. I would recommend playing the F-111 in Air Sim until such time we get an RB EC gamemode
fair points, although the R-60M seems pretty good lately. One question how do you get 240 CM for F-111F? I just the normal amount for unlocking the CM. and your right I would like to RB EC, that would help.
Hmm… F-111C has 240 and thought the F-111F got bug reported to have the same amount as the F-111C back on the dev server. So either that bug report hasnt been fixed yet or Gaijin decided to give it less for balance reasons (F-111C only has 4x Aim-9Ls and less A2G payload)
But yes I dogfight with the Vark, and it does surprisingly well against nearly all enemies it comes across that’s to its lifting body, amazing engines, large ammo pool (I usually dump about 1000 ends at the start, I won’t need em all and they weigh me down) and my excessive amount of missiles. So long as you use manual wing sweep and know what you’re doing, you’re an extremely agile threat despite your size.
on paper, it lookd fab for ARB. Sure, it’s no F-16, but it’s got a Vulcan, 6 9Ls, decent FP, an insane top speed, good amount of CMs, can’t see the F staying at 11.7 for ARB. 111C might be a different matter thanks to the reduced power, and the two less 9Ls (pending review)
I mean, it’ll just be a reason for it to be a lower BR. That, stacked with no GBU-15s, and the naff engines (worst case) should put them at different BRs
thanks guys, all good feedback. My bad on the missiles RHM ( is SARH) and AHM ( Active Homing MIssiles), those Fakours seem to really do well. the F version doesn’t have the 240 x CM, but maybe that will be fixed.
Should be the opposite IMO, both at 11.7 currently.
But the 111s should have 9Ms as well as AGM-130 or 142s and be like 12.7.
The British tree wouldn’t have much of a gap because of the Tornado, and the US tree should have received the 111E.
Well…
The F-111C receives 240 standard sized countermeasures.
The F-111F receives 120 standard sized countermeasure AND 60 large caliber countermeasures. And given that ingame, 1 large caliber countermeasure is about as effective as 2 standard sized ones, I’d say it’s hardly a difference. If anything the F-111F has an easier time flaring missiles with the Large caliber addition (which I always make sure you make all large calibers flares and not chaff as well). Besides, I’ve yet to run out of flares or chaff in the F-111F anyway :P
Edit: ahh nvm you seem to have realized this already loooool