Expanding The F/A-18C Armaments

[ashton]

@TheScienceOfWar

being an A JSOW, so it’s basically a glidey JDAM in WT terms

So why not just add the JDAM-ER which is basically the same thing but actually in service with the USAF?

[quartas121]

@ashton_

JDAM-ER

i thought those were only used by australia and ukraine or something like that

[ashton]

Yep, you’re right I just looked into it, whoops.

[quartas121]

another point to the strike eagle

[quartas121]

i thought same as you too, before looking into JDAM-ER more

GBU-53 and JSOW should have glide bomb troubles completely covered though

[TheScienceOfWar]

To be honest, fair. I think the JSOW looks cool but the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for putting it on F-15E ingame.

[quartas121]

wdym? F-15E is known to be capable of carrying them

[TheScienceOfWar]

GBU-53 will be terrifying. Whole different beast than JSOW, when you can carry 20 of em. I wonder how long it’ll be and if we’ll get the cool less capable stuff first or if they’ll jump the shark again

[TheScienceOfWar]

Thank you.

[quartas121]

@TheScienceOfWar

JSOW,

doesnt JSOW-B have 24 IIR guided submunitions each?

[tripod2008]

@ashton_

So why not just add the JDAM-ER which is basically the same thing

They don’t use the 1000lb variant (also a wing kit for the 1000lb class Mk.80 series compatible warheads doesn’t exist only for the 500 & 2000lb options).

Also as we don’t know what the specific configuration the Quickstrike-ER Air Launched Mine (GBU-62(V)1/B & -64(V)1/B) actually takes. As far as is currently known the designation of the regular configuration of the JDAM-ER is unknown, though was provided to Ukraine via Presidential Drawdown, so does theoretically exist in inventory as a variant.

[TheScienceOfWar]

Terrifying, and relies on a mechanic hitherto unseen and one of the Big Ones they may never implement. Clusters and submunitions in general are on the level of Stealth or EW etc. I guess the closest ingame is starstreak? any better examples of submunitions? APFSDS?

The game engine can simulate it, but it may be a lag generator, and also it’s just a terrifying capability I don’t currently see them ever putting in GRB.

[quartas121]

wouldnt it just be

1. have JSOW-B glide to GPS point
2. spawn in a bunch of the submunitions from the JSOW-B hitbox
3. add some effects and maybe even pretty animations

[TheScienceOfWar]

Yes, but self targeting submunitions. It’s like telling 24 brimstones to hit a 10 digit grid and kill everything within. It’d be like adding HIMARS/M270 with ATACMS

[tripod2008]

@TheScienceOfWar

any better examples of submunitions?

Isn’t there some sort of flechette rockets on one of the SEPCAT-Jaguars?

Yes, it’s available on the French Jaguars and the Super Entard

https://old-wiki.warthunder.com/TBA_Multi-Dart_100_AB

[quartas121]

would be very silly funny.

if there is proof F-15E could use the JSOW double racks, would be even better.

imagine 4x JSOW B, 20x GBU-53, 4x AMRAAM loadout

[TheScienceOfWar]

THERE’S A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT SPAWN (50% of the enemy team is gone)

anywho, GN fellas. 'luv hornet, 'ate unfinished wt planes, simple as

[tripod2008]

I’ve got a source claiming that the F-14B(U) & -14D were JSOW compatible. But no proof that it went beyond software integration, which I don’t think it did.

The final step included incorporation of a new senes of advanced weapons such as Joint
Standoff Weapon (JSOW) and Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Again, the Navy
determined the Grumman proposal to be too expensive as a whole and restructured its F14 upgrade program to include only portions of the program, which they called Block I

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In support of air-to-ground attack missions, the F-14D can employ unguided and
guided munitions Unguided weapons include Mk-80 series general-purpose bombs,
cluster munitions, mines, and airbome and Marine flares. Guided weapons include laser-guided bombs (LGB), and recently cleared MIL-STD-I760 interface class weapons,
including GBU-24E/B, JDAM and JSOW.

[tripod2008]

@TheScienceOfWar

THERE’S A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT SPAWN

Well what exactly do you think 15x CBU-105s (each contains ten BLU-108, which each ejects four skeets, so 40 submunitions per clusterbomb; so 600 EFPs per flyout) would do?

As an aside the Skeet’s geometry is similar to that of one TOW-2Bs dual warheads so expected penetration is approximately 95~110mm RHAe (in game uses flat 100mm). It’s also similar to the warhead in the 120mm XM943 STAFF Shell.

[Pvt_Wade]

@ashton_

One concern with this weapon system being added is its ridiculous maximum range of well over 100km. This could be addressed in two ways, similar to how the brimstone was handled:

• Removing the GPS capability from the missile, so it only uses the IR seeker for guidance, requiring you to be within 20km of the target, basically making it a slower Kh-38MT
• Limiting its guidance time so shots from over 20km wouldn’t be possible

AGM-84E SLAM but without the S part