ADS system with a Tatra truck chassis, i wonder what could it be hmmm 🤔🤔🤔
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I think I found an alternative image of the Morris C8 with MG
Comparison
- the red-marked guy seems to sit right infront of the gun marked in green
- the gun is flanked by two guys, marked with yellow and blue, with the blue guy sitting in a leisurely manner where his knees can be seen bent on top of the vehicle’s hull
- The Cyan-colored person is right behind those two mentioned before. The first image’s cyan is not the same as the blue as the perspective doesnt make sense if that was the case
what are your guys’ thoughts on this?
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I’m certain that It’s the same vehicle, you can see the opened front windshield near the red guy’s legs, same as in the previous photo
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Found another “car with gun”. This time used by the Indonesian KKO (Marine Corps).
from the rear it could be the CJ-3B jeep mounted with what looks like a recoilless? Its mounted on the right side of the vehicle
Was spotted in ~1958 During KKO operation against PPRI in Bukittinggi
EDIT:
found a less jagged quality image:
Description of Image:
apparently its with Colonel Sabirin Mochtar, which he is an Indonesian Army officer, so not entirely 100% sure of that being operated by KKO claim from the OG poster
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From what i read in Jalesveva Jayamahe book, in 1950s-60s KKO use Chinese copy of M20 Recoilless gun.
Although i think it’s not the M20, maybe it’s the Soviet B-10 because American M20 and M40 has more conical vent compared to Soviet design that more cylindrical.
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after looking at it, I think its the 57mm M18 recoilless, the grip on the right side and sight system looks very similar
I dont recall any mention of us operated that specific recoilless though
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Or maybe it’s the Chinese copy of the M18 (Type 36). and the HEAT shell only pen about 76mm of armor, equal to the early M1 Bazooka.
I mean think about it in the late 50s PRC is providing Indonesia with lot of weapons, including this kind of weapon so it’s plausible that Type 36 Recoilless gun is used by KKO
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I think this is more likely
It was mentioned that the type 36 also has its own Chinese-manufactured ammo that can be used alongside the M18’s
There’s also this round for the type 36 described as a anti-armor sabot round captured by US forces in vietnam
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welp, then you need to research the performance of Type 36 HEAT ammo. and my prediction is this recoilless truck would sit in rank I or II due to it’s gun short effective range, no armor and pen value.
EDIT:
I found the cutaway illustration of Chinese 57mm Recoilless rifle HEAT, it’s look likely a HEAT-FS
and correction, Type 36 is ROC produced M18 while PRC one’s are Type 52
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based on chinese sources, the type 52 only has 300m of effective firing range with 3km of max range. HEAT shell can pen up to 70mm of armor at 30 degrees, so its effectively a downgrade from the US’ shell.
Probably wouldnt be that great, but certainly an interesting vehicle nevertheless
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From the photo i think it’s still the Type 36, the Type 52 photo i saw lacked any cheek pad and using different tripod unlike these that using M1917A1 Tripod (just like original M18 and Type 36)
There’s also this round for the type 36 described as a anti-armor sabot round captured by US forces in vietnam
It’s actually for Type 56 75mm Recoilless gun. misidentification probably
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in regards to the tripod, basically they describe that the mount is not just the triangle-tripod mount but can be adjusted to anything to fit in the battlefield
from the museum: (1:33) [军迷行天下]民国三十六年式57毫米无后坐力炮产量不大
also I dont think the ID one uses the browning mount
notice the gun is mounted to the green bits, and its placed behind the central vertical mount (marked in red)
here’s the type 36 mounted on a browning mount for instance
the green parts of the ID version looks like a “C” whereas the browning one looks like a “U”
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Considering it was in an operation against PRRI, could it be that the weapon was supplied by US to the PRRI, and then was captured by central government forces?
We know that the Permesta rebels were supplied with M20 Super Bazooka, which at the time wasn’t even operated by the TNI themself.
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bit of a tangent but i just found out that the Cavalry Museum has this page detailing the ammunition used by some ID Fighting Vehicles
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Leopard 2
- HE (two different fuse, standard-fuse & Timed-fuse)
- APFSDS
- HEAT
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Scorpion & Tarantula (dunno why Badak is not included here since its the same gun)
- HESH
- HESH-T
- HEAT-T
- APERS-T (anti-personnel)
- APFSDS
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AMX-13
- HEAT
- HE
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V-150
- HE-CAN-90 (HE)
- HEAT-T-CAN-90 (HEAT-T)
- SMK-CAN-90 (Smoke)
- CAN-T-90 (anti-personnel buckshot)
also fun fact the museum uses the warthunder vehicle image for the Leopard 2A4
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Is this MLRS part of Rhan 122 too or something else? (video from Markicap)
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yes, its a new vehicle called the DS-240 Arjuna made by PT SAS Aero Sishan
Video of the test fire
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New suggestions update:
- Panhard EBR Mle 1951 (.50 Madsen-Saetter) = in pending
ongoing suggestion:
- PT-76B w/ DShK
- PT-76M
Also dunno if i’ve mentioned it before but my Anoa FSV suggestions are all scrapped (im still searching for more references for them but currently no luck). If you wanna make it yourself feel free to do so!
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Also dunno if i’ve mentioned it before but my Anoa FSV suggestions are all scrapped (im still searching for more references for them but currently no luck). If you wanna make it yourself feel free to do so!
Which reference you are still lacking?
also you might want to update the list with the Jeep with M18 recoilless rifle, it’s would be a fun BR I fast TD IMO
Aside from this Marines Jeep with Strela, the author claim he saw Unimog truck with dual strela mount (most likely ship borne missile mount) during 1995 ABRI 50th anniversary, i tried to find any image proof of that SPAA but still got no result.
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mainly the bee prototype but it encompasses the pre-production one aswell, specifically talking about its exact specifications & history of development. I could add only the first prototype Anoa FSV since its quite literally the same as the anoa PK20, but now id much rather do multiple suggestion encompassing one vehicle family/type rather than just only vehicle for one suggestion
ill probably add it once i add the misc ground vehicles section, but not on my priority at the moment
for this i dont think it is mounted on anything
looks like the marines are propping it up on the metal truckbed frame of the KIA rather than having a dedicated mount. If it has a mounting, then Unless we get a clear view of it then i cant add it unfortunately
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