Very well written, would be really cool to see some of these changes get implemented!
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Added my new report regarding the TO100 broken turret armor. Congrats with having loading mechanism report, being accepted! Enjoy the read.
You know what is wrong with the Baguette boys, such as the Somua? The addition of the PzH2000. I’ve always loved the Somua, but it is so damn easy to melt it with a HE shot to the turret. Brings the whole vehicle down. The turret used to be a point where you’d survive shots that went through it without much damage - but coming up against some laser ranged HE goodness is the death of it.
This is the typical Somua encounter when you’re playing PzH2000:
its not the SM, but the addition of arty problem. Arty used to be unique to low tier Germany, Japan and Sweden, and high tier Japan. Now it’s modern arty with tanking no-armor, rangefinders, better mobility than most tanks of it’s BR, and huge amount of crew. M44 fights against 1942 tanks (based on M41 Bulldog), PzH2000 fights against 1947 tanks (véhicule from 2000-2010s). Obvioisly this game is gonna be trash and by that all tanks too if we get no historical arty and just underBRed HE throwers.
Situation is worse than with world of tanks, which used to be mocked by war thunder community itself like “we have no arty, just bombers which you can shoot down”. Eehh… have a massively-crewedd, laser-rangefinder-equipped highly mobile AP/HE/HEAT-immune quick-firing indirect fire machine aiming at you from two kilometers away whose single hit at your poorly armored hull or turret roof will send you back to lobby with no spawn points left while you’ll be calculating the distance and hoping to get a one shot before it smokes out and leaves with it’s advanced reverse gear.
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Remove this shameless plagiarism from the game already. Just like fake CV 90105 TML - remove it from the game entirely and refund everybody.
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We’ve got my three reports on armor modelx, 3D model and the entire TO100 turret accepted, yippie!!!
Now it’s 4 years to wait till it being fixed
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this feels like big nerfs for the souma the main reason i bought because the armor now the hull front gonna get changed from 150mm to 75mm with machine gun port to.
this is really bad i don’t why gajin sold this tank if it’s was wrong like this in first place i would not bought it of i knew it had these wrong modeled.
would be nice for gajin offer a refund or give another tank model with good armor.
like what’s the point of buying the somua it turned out to be another copy past AMX M4 / AMX -50 and the main reason i bought is because i don’t like the light armor on these tanks that’s false advertisement by marketing team.
that’s frustrating a lot to see.
the front armor gonna be worst than this wow
yeah. And I don’t even know what they could give in exchange. The best protection ones are AMX 50 Surblinde (1000$), Surbaisse (already in tech tree), they could add AMX 50 100 but it’s like, the most normal AMX 50 and should belong to tech tree, too. Really can’t remember a single tank more armored than those three
At least the SOMUA SM turret armor could be buffed so we could play hull-down effectively, I guess
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???
If it changes to 75mm then there is little reason to even have the Somua in the game. Damn.
Yup. And it wouldn’t be OP because the Cupola is still there for the taking, not to mention the big HE slingers like Pz2000.
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Cupola would be buffed though.
it’s really sad to see this but it’s historical change which i support but am still upset at gajin for messing this up they the ones advertise the somua sm as heavy armored tank with best armor 150mm:
at least i used to able to push the enemy without have the same issue with other France tanks with there weak front armor but not anymore.
how much better armor can it stop tiger II 88m / IS-2 122 guns?
and is getting a 20mm or normal 7.62mm in the turret anti air gun?
lemme count, gimme a few min
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top part prob won’t stop Tiger II, turret front is 120 mm LOS (~130-140 mm effective against AP)
but the collar part might be well-armored as it’s 120+175 in the very front but it gets considerably thicker at cheeks (see Wrong TO100 turret and collar armor report in Unreviewed)
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So the turret would get buffed and hull would get huge nerf, so it would deserve solid BR reduction because overall protection would be reduced by a lot so BR should be reduced too, 7.7 with hull worse than panther’s would be DEFINITELY too high.
Yippie, 40 bucks into the trash thanks man
Calm da hell down gaijin won’t change it because there will be backlash of hundreds like you. My post is mostly for education purposes
I’m calm and I think it would be fair to change it, even though the 150mm lens was a selling point.
I’ve already used it extensively, and anyway, it’s not as good as it used to be, even though it’s still very powerful.
In addition, I think the main advantage is the reload, which allows for big baits; the armor is optional.
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We need to remember that there was a few different models of hulls/turret/guns on Somua, like hull like Tiger 2 (actually by design it was based of Tiger 2, that’s why there is 150mm) there was also hull of AMX-50, differect turrets like “normal” like Tiger 2’s TO100, TOA100, TOA120.
Gaijin likes to pick w/e they want of many diff variants of vehicles. there are dozen of examples like T-64BV, Leopard 2a4 with B hull/C turret etc. etc.
only SM with TO100 is known to have been built in one example, known so for now at least
Yea and that 75mm is legit according to pixel counting UFP is 0.75 of 100mm round so 75mm is legit. But after that huge nerf it should go down to 7.0 or 7.3 AT LEAST.