Everything wrong with the Mirage IIIS

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Control stick:
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My little one in front of the NORAS I helped restore…

…and trying out the NORAS simulator:
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After a few tries he managed to hit within 2 meters of the intended target., after having started with 50 meters. It’s really finnicky to use, and to do that while flying the Mirage, and through enemy air defense, must really have been a daunting task and the main reason why most of NORAS operations were stopped relatively early on.

See also some interesting info and images here: Mirage-Verein Buochs - NORAS AS-30 - powered by cloudrexx

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Oh boy!

A good Soul has been able to provide me with the TARAN manual I’ve been looking for so desperately, and it answers a lot of questions, also including radar and missiles operation and capabilities, gun lead predictor, AS.30 usage and CCRP bombing, even terrain avoidance modes, etc. …

Now it will take time to process the info, translate, report…

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Very good news indeed.

Would you be able to share it? (mostly interested in the falcon info from it)
I understand if you cant for whatever reason

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Report on missing EEGS is done, please support: Mirage IIIS C.70 missing EEGS // Gaijin.net // Issues

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do you think they will increase the br? right now the swiss mirage looks very strong (havent played it myself yet though)

Only have a few flights in Sim, and don’t think it’s exceptionally great: The AIM-9E is quite bad and outclassed by all the Magic I’s and AIM-9J and 9P the aircraft you encounter carry, FALCO are ok-ish but not exceptional, their only grace being you can carry two of them.

RWR and CMS is good, flight model also ok but not so much improved over e.g. IIIC and IIIE that it makes much of a difference.

BR’s wise it’s ok with the armament it currently has, and even could stay at that BR or rise to max. 10.7 if it also got AIM-9P-3.

If it got AIM-9P-4 (as it should historically), it should go to 11.3, and if it even got 9P-5 (again, as would be historically correct), 11.7 would be fine.

At 11.7 it wouldn’t have a worse radar than say the F-5E FCU or SCU…

is IIIS based on 3С? or on 3E? makes a lot of difference since the E is much heavier
also how much range can one squeeze out of falco missiles?

is that the smokeless motor one? would be pretty good at 10.7

If you’re talking sim, I think the mirage can be 11.0 with p4, as the bis and first 23m gets 6 all aspect r60s at that br while also having better flight models (don’t forget the 23m getting those utterly nasty r23ts as well which are literally an upgrade in every way over the p4 other than super close range maneuverability) and i also think the p4 is a worse missile than the r60m ( at least for sim). I think even if it got aim 9 p3 it can stay at 10.3, due to the first American crusader being a better plane WITH better missiles and at a lower br of 10.0 (seriously how the hell is the f8u2 at 10.0 still in sim, American mains fr).

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I mean, it’s expected to better than the 3e, as it’s literally the same plane from what I understand but with canards and new missiles. But, the 3c being so light is what makes it better than both, I wonder why the 3e is so much heavier than the c for just adding counter measures.

Ngl I would expect them to do better in sim than rb because people in sim are a lot more clueless, although ig it’s still wore than the crusader’s aim 9c which is a lot more maneuverable (at least becomes more maneuverable much much sooner)

Are the cms single or double pop

Bit off tangent, but is this the thread for general mirage 3s discussion? I don’t see one other than the one in the suggestion

IIIE. The TARAN equipment was too large to fit into the shorter IIIC…

Still need to experiment a bit, but I was most successful in similar attack parameters as for the Sidewinders distance-wise (but all-aspect).

Flz Lwf LL 63/80, the same that the Hunter Mk.58 has at 9.7 and Swiss F-5E at 11.3. Not sure if it has reduced smoke motor…

Not just countermeasures: The fuselage is 30cm longer to fit more (larger and heavier) avionics in…

Need to check, but should be single.

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the P-3 is smokeless, but that aspect is not modeled in game right now.
In game it is just a regular 9P. The Hunter has the 63/80, which is the P-3.

Yes, this is the post for the Swiss Mirage IIIS. It was ported over from the dev-server section.
I mainly made it to collect all the bug reports of the Mirage on the dev-server, but general discussion is also happening. At the moment it is somewhat split with here being the issues and the sugegstion being more of a general discussion.
Once the suggestion post is closed though, I will rename the post to general discussion or something like that.

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Mirage IIIS C.70: Alpine Canard Delta - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

Theoretically, the two could be merged, kind of…

And a new report, please support: Mirage IIIS C.70 wrong sight graphics // Gaijin.net // Issues

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What’s Noras

Nord AS.30 air to ground missile.

The Swiss Air Force had its own lingo and “almost secret” code language, the “Bambini Code”, also including names of aircraft and weapons:

NORAS: Nord AS.30
FALCO: AIM-26 Falcon
SIWA: AIM-9 Sidewinder

MIRO: Mirage IIIS (fighter)
AMIR: Mirage IIIRS (reconnaissance)

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Aha that makes sense, for stuff like falco I just thought you were just mistyping them, didn’t know those were actual names, cool bit of trivia to learn

See here for more info on Bambini Code: Bambini-Code - Wikipedia