Wait, the s is a similar weight to the c rather than the e? Thats a HUGE difference i was not aware of, the e’s a bit of a bus but the c (and now the s as it gets canards) acts a bit like a kite making it an extremely good dog fighter. I need to get the s even more now, the fact it gets rocket booster and guns AND missiles makes it seem like the best mirage 3 we have in game.
Its the same for the r530 on the c/e. Your gole is to get rid of them as quick as possible, be that against an av 8 whos just going to one chaff it or a mig 19 who can dodge it. Then you boom and zoom people untill they get slow then come in for the kill with guns or magics. Now the s doesnt get magics but it gets rocket boosters with guns allowing you to get slow while still being able to pull hard due to the extra thrust. If it got 9p-3s it would HAVE to go up to 10.7 no question. It should be at 10.7 already considering its a c with a better fm and countermeasures.
He means the mirage c and CJ have almost similar weight between themselves
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if the cj is the s, then it gets canards which give better low and high speed performance.
Nonono, the mirage 3S is heavier than the mirage 3E, i have played the 3s and 3cj and the 3s pulls less than the cj at basicaly any speed, its basicaly a worse 3e at lower br, even if it gets p3s it would be woese than a 3e
Cj is not the S the S is over a ton heavier than the C and Cj.
And the rocket booster by no means makes up for the increase in weight as adding the booster adds about 200kg + 800kg rocket fuel ON TOP of the extra weight you already experience. It adds if i remember right 1500kgf of thrust which is nice to have but does not make you accelerate fast enough to be able to risk losing much speed in practice.
It’s really more of a gimmick than something actually useful especially since it will attract missiles to you through flares when active.
For reference, this is the Mirage IIIS with only the gun installed:
"mass": {
"maxFuel": 2918.200195,
"noFuel": 7202.700195,
"total": 9098.700195
And this is the weight with just the gun and rocket booster:
"mass": {
"maxFuel": 2918.200195,
"noFuel": 8232.700195,
"total": 10128.700195
And once you run through the booster fuel:
"mass": {
"maxFuel": 2918.200195,
"noFuel": 7413.700195,
"total": 9309.700195
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Bro wat
was working on 2 hours of sleep bruh give me a brake… had miss read what the guy had said.
keep note that MiG-21s radar missiles are much worse than falcos, and base R-60, while having good acceleration and 30G peak pull, need to be launched from rear aspect at very close range, where they are at their weakest. MiG-21bis can sit at 11.0 with all-aspect R-60 due to this.
imo i much rather have R60s than 9Es
Its tradeoff. You get r60s instead of 9es. R60 is a much better missile
Sure, but I would personally much rather have FALCOs over R-3R; and at 10.3 they are goated. Im just afraid that should IIIS recieve better IRs, it potentionally could end up getting higher BR, thats all.
Indeed.
Unfortunately im the president of the base R-60 haters club. I absolutely despise the missile from the user side of thing.
imma be honest, the 9P would be better yes, but it would not be enough to make it 10.7 and even if it somehow gets to 10.7 it would go down to 10.3 in no time.
the only way i could see it becoming 10.7 is if it got like way way better missile, like the 9G, p4 or magic, with the base model 9P it would most likely just stay at 10.3
I would say it oulls just as much or even more.
Due to the canards it has better nose authority.
I have played a lot of mirages and ngl the 3s pulls less aoa than a lot of them, maybe bc it feels very underpowered
Only in full real controls mode and only by a very thin margin, in instructor modes the IIIC will pull harder initially and IIIS is on about IIIE level. And that’s only in empty configuration without the rocket booster installed.
Falcos have a way narrower launch envelope than r3r but do actually pull if fired at the proper range, are properly led, target doesn’t change course massively before guidance kicks in and if they don’t get chaffed. Still dodgeable especially since the enemy will have plenty of time to maneuver because you have to fire the missile from a much longer distance but you definitely have to work to do it.
But the fact that 74,4% of my matches have been BR 11.3 or 11.0 where chaff and RWR are extremely common, especially on the players that actually do climb, makes the calculation different again.
The Falco seems a bit less useful than an r3r that can at least surprise people with quickly set up and fired launches.
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I play Mirage a lot myself.
I am not certain that site is as accurate as people seem to believe.