@Leafleap @jd_hog77 @thefoxiscunning @Warpig
Received my modifications!
3 days ago submitted a support ticket and today received the “4 random modifications” for Jaguar IS.
Really hope 🙏 that it is global rather than personal solution.
@Leafleap @jd_hog77 @thefoxiscunning @Warpig
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Didn’t happen automatically for me. I just sent a support ticket as well.
Thanks for the heads-up!
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I like how this event clearly showed what determines prices at the marketplace.
During the previous, Object 292 event, there were so many very happy sellers on this forum, praising how the new format increased their profit. They didn’t care they have to grind now 2x more to get the coupon, they only cared the vehicle price “increased”.
It’s funny how they completely ignored the fact that Object 292 is a quite unique vehicle, thanks to the 152 mm gun.
The Jaguar IS is nothing unique, and it’s relatively high in BR, so not many players want it. I skipped it myself, in my opinion it wasn’t even worth the grind.
And the marketplace price of it is pretty much the same as the price of event vehicles in the old system. But their coupons were almost two times easier to grind in the old system. For that 750k score you have to grind now, you could get almost 2 vehicle coupons in the past!
You can clearly see what’s wrong with event vehicles lately. Just most of them are copy-pasted vehicles with a few changes here and there, not very unique and not very strong, so there aren’t many players who want them.
It’s funny to see that basically nothing changed with the marketplace prices, but players have to grind much more now than before. And somehow all these players who praised the new system disappeared. Where are they? Shouldn’t they still say how amazing this new system is from the sellers perspective? Or maybe they think we should just double the grind again? That’s the solution so many people here wanted.
After all, who would have thought that copy-pasted vehicles that aren’t very good don’t sell very well? But let’s ignore this and pretend that it’s players fault, because too many of them can fully complete the event, so we have to make the grind harder, it’s always the best solution.
PS. Sorry for the sarcastic tone of this message, but I find it funny how the devs keep nerfing stuff all the time and so many players try to justify these decisions and turn them into something good. And when they realise how the new system really works, all these forum members who praised the change disappear. It’s absolutely hilarious to see this over and over again.
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There are more than one way of saying a system is good. And honestly i did not see many praising the new system for its implied value increase over previous system. They were more happy they got a lot for their sale of the 292.
System is still very nice. One can nolonger purchase their way to a coupon as gambling to earn a return on the investment
Still here, enjoying the collective butthurt.
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You can check the previous Object 292 topic. There were so many messages about how this new system is great for sellers. And these players completely ignored the fact a lot of casual players can’t even get the premium time from vehicle coupons anymore. I know many players who used the old event system to get premium time. They can’t do this now, as the required score to get the coupon increased significantly (it’s almost doubled).
Which was a quite unique vehicle. If this vehicle was added as event vehicle in the old system, the price would probably be similar (maybe just slightly lower). But the grind would be much easier.
In the old system, the standard event vehicle marketplace price was about 20 GJN. To “buy” the vehicle coupon in the game you needed 10 stages, which is 9999 GE (50€). I really don’t think anyone did that. But yeah if the vehicle was any unique, I guess you could “gamble” about its price. Just keep in mind, Gaijin also takes 15% from every marketplace sale, so I’m not sure if such gambling had any sense at all to be honest.
In the old system you needed 800k score to get 2 vehicle coupons.
In the new system you need 750k score to get 1 vehicle coupon.
I guess that’s still a win for some players.
You are omitting, for one reason or another, the fact you needed
- 40k each day if you wanted to keep for example air + ground main prize, and do that for 16 days
- 40k each day, if you wanted to sell for example air+ground prize, do that for 20 days and you couldnt miss SINGLE star, making you heavily timegated
Whereas in new system, you need
- 22.5k daily if you want to keep the reward, and do that for 16 days for one reward, and then again for second reward.
- 750k if you want to sell that you can farm WHENEVER during the event which runs for 19 days, removing the time gates.
The event is clearly improvement for people that want to keep the vehicles, and for people that want to sell vehicles, its arguably improvement since removing timegates allows player to play more on days where they have more time.
Anecdotaly, i was able to gain 530k score without intent to sell the obj 292, which is some 180k score more than was required in order to keep it.
Discussion can be held onto whenever said score is justified, but the format itself is much better.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. Players love to take extreme examples (that are often not even correct) to prove their point.
Which sentence do you think is correct:
- most War Thunder players always completed all old events fully in all available game modes (air, ground, naval)
- most War Thunder players only focused on specific vehicles during events they wanted to grind for whatever reason (sell or keep)
Of course you also have to use the Crafting event example, and you forgot crafting event could be completed in any game mode, you didn’t have to grind everything there and you got additional resources you could also sell on the marketplace. I’m not saying crafting events were good, just saying you take an extreme example again.
How about you compare the Summer event 2023 to the current system:
Let’s say player wanted to grind only the Ground side of the event (see, I can take extreme examples too!), where they could get 2 vehicles for 8 stages of 40k score grind.
But I’m sure you will figure out something to prove the new system is “clearly” better.
BTW: I don’t think this discussion has any sense, because you clearly have your own opinion, and it’s fine to have own opinions. I just wanted to note the fact, you can buy a Jaguar IS for 20 GJN right now, which is the price of most old event vehicles. But it takes significantly more time now (almost twice as long) to get that 20 GJN than in the old system. And I heard people saying the time to GJN value was very poor in the old events. But somehow now it’s much better in the new system, right?
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I don’t care about the format when I can only get stuff I already have.
Simple math will do?
40k daily > 22.5k daily?
If the last winter event was already in the new format, i would be able to get both vilkas and mirage - something that was not possible for me due to time constraints.
Yes and its glorious, especially due to people who banked on it selling for 50GJN on average.
Did you even read the link I gave you above? Where did you get these numbers?
It was 40k every 2 days. If you wanted to keep both vehicles you needed 8 stages (16 days), if you wanted to keep the premium vehicle and sell the event vehicle you needed 10 stages (20 days). 10 stages * 40k score = 400k score.
Right now it’s 45k every 2 days to get just 1 event vehicle (8 stages). And 750k score in total for upgrade coupon (which is almost 42k score per day for 18 days).
It doesn’t matter how you look at this, it was much easier and quicker in the old system.
Were almost there! I believe in you!
If the score is 45k per two days, whats the required score per one day, ie. daily?
Im sure such intelectually superior person like you can figure this out! :)
And as for 40k daily
For two vehicles you need two stars per two days. If one star is 40k, then two stars are 80k per two days.
And then, whats the required daily score?
Quoting this, so you won’t change it later, when (if?) you realise what you wrote there.
There is no point in talking to you about this any longer.
But you could, and early market entry could earn you a nice penny. Or with the right vehicle and some waiting you very much could. With the 292 for instance you very much could do so if it followed the old event formula.
It never does, but it doesn’t mean we should open the door to do so. And now one door has closed.
Yes, they were happy with selling it for a good price. And thats about it from what i saw in the 292 threads. They were offcourse pointing out the coping people had over the new event grind, but that also happened in other even threads anyways. Regardless of there being something new.
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Just because you were wrong does not mean you now have to resort to this :)
Yeah, but if this was a “problem”, they could just remove the possibility to buy all 10 stars, right?
But most importantly, they could have simply split the previous summer/winter events into 3 parts. Start Ground part first, then Air part and Naval part at the end. Keep the 40k score every 2 days, keep the 2 vehicles (premium + event) in some game modes, like it used to work. They didn’t have to redesign the whole system and make it much worse from the players perspective in most areas.
Many roads lead to Rome. This road is conceptually fine.
Yes, but I think the real point here is, if the aim was to increase the average sellprice of market vehicles, it has clearly failed (Baden will also be sub-20 to start, calling it now… The tank also benefited from just being the first of the new events, so it got pegged at a higher price early. The next tank will likely also be a lower start price.)
I honestly don’t think that was the point of them doing their change to events this way though. This was more about increasing GE sales for stars and also reducing the number of players farming their events to pay for battle pass and premium time. Gaijin doesn’t care about “the market price” as much as people think.
All the players who justified the added effort they would have to do to make vehicles sellable over what they had to do before as being a big win for players on the increased prices do look a little silly here.
The other factor in the lower price, more than vehicle quality, is ease of acquisition. It is still rather hard to cheese ground the way you can with air, as we heard here in this thread, or naval with the current very favorable multipliers and low skill floor. Ground still takes more effort, for now.
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Approximately 40K points A DAY is somehow better than 20K points a day?
I’m a pretty solid air player and earned all 9 stars, finishing at around 525K points. Not that it matters because I’m on console, so obtaining the coupon is moot, but attempting to validate an event structure that requires 40K points A DAY is insanity.
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Update: Just logged in and received the 4 random modifications. Opened support ticket less than 48 hours ago.
I go after Gaijin a lot, but respect that they made things right.