I’d imagine then it would be very much only functional for very close in-range combat where you can visually see the aircraft.
So? Any target where you’d actually use HMD over anything else?
For longer range targets (Aka beyond visual range), especially with a missile like ASRAAM, designed not to be used in a dogfight, you would use Radar or IRST to provide that initial data point.
There is also somewhat evidence of IRIS-T (which also lacks DL) being used as an anti-missile weapon iirc fired from a Typhoon. There is no reason why the DASS couldnt generate the same Azi/Elevation coordinates using a combo of RWR and/or MAWS.
As for the missile acquiring a target at long range. Lock range is estimated in the 20-25km range based upon Raven shooting down small drones iirc. At Mach 5, the missile only needs to travel 15 seconds to acquire something at absolute max reported range of 50km. But realistically, you’d only really be firing most often at targets at the 30-40km mark at most, so that 3-9 seconds after firing before the missile has locked on. (that is also operating on the notion the target is not moving towards you either)
AMK is having work being done and will most likely see integration in the future.
Statement retracted: So interestingly, it appears the Eurofighter shouldn’t have gotten that weight reduction when in reality there were conflicting primary sources that just doesn’t sit right with the current 11,300kg in-game value. In fact, despite what many believe, the Rafale’s empty weight currently as it exists is using specific values which are aligned with reality while the EFT’s weight remains a discrepancy.
Yessssss. More Euro and Rafale warfare…
Man woke up, saw a 8 months dead thread and chose violence
Edit : also crazy that this thread is actually that old
insert gif of carl from GTA san andreas walking down street with caption “here we go again” here
Welp, can’t help it when I put two and two together and had a realization that a lot of the same people who alleged the Rafale’s weight as being incorrect had nothing to say about the EFT having incorrect weight.
Tbf, Some people are very biased on these forums.
Everyone has their own bias in one way or another. But realizing you are biased is already a good step to reduce toxicity in the forums (and I feel this thread isn’t going to last if we start drama all over again)
At the very least it’s good to know where to point people in the right direction if they feel like going on a hunt for inaccuracies.

As of now, we’re about as far from the Raf and EF being added as we were from the F-14A being added when the Eurocanards were new…

Truth nuke.
Unironically it’s almost been 2 years since these jets dropped :')
Report using brochures was for 11,000kg
Empty weight in game is 11,220kg which is the same a DA7 manual was 11 700kg in the dev
It really isn’t as you describe at all
Scrolling back through this thread only to find ancient users like SidewaysCube and Unluckyg, I wonder if they’ll ever get back to the game.
Doesn’t sound like you’re taking into account leftover fuel and cannon ammo*.
The only people I know here are Morvran and Macron-Spokesman, since I sometimes read EF and Rafale threads.
Back when he was DirectSupport
We need to nerf the Rafale then. Obviously they’re not taking into account the weight of oil, pilot weight, leftover fuel and the expectations of French mains.
Probably an extra tonne at least.