so your problem is actually the in-game results?
Yes? What else would be the problem?
so you’re trying to justify adding nerfs to Rafale, because of in-game results?
i know you all are edgy, since it’s a french aircraft that is (finally) on top of the game,…
but this is none-sense,… Gaijin modeled a Rafale F.3R, and we do have Bug-reporters that works to have it in full.
EFT being worse than /or/ better than Rafale doesn’t gives any rights to give artificial buffs or nerfs,…
you think EFT is not good enough : Make bug-reports,… found real-data/values/charts.
the current EFT is having what it should have,… (apart missiles, which is a thing that everyone don’t have fully yet)
I mean its a game and games are supposed to be balanced so yes that would be one way to reinstitute balance into the game. The other would be to buff its competitors, which i (and literally everyone else) would also be fine with.
Its not on top of the game, its playing a completely different game than everyone else. I get that you like your broken vehicle, because being better than everyone is fun and all but its hardly healthy for the game.
No one said anything about artificial, theres a ton of active bug reports that would buff the Rafales competitors but sadly they dont get the luxury fast lane ticket the Rafale seems to have for its reports.
I dont think that the EFT is not good enough. The EFT and all other 14.0s/14.3s ARE not good enough to compete vs the Rafale thats just blatantly obvious.
The EFT and the Rafale both came in the December patch, the majority of the Rafale buffs came in the patch after, Hornet’s Sting (March patch).
Let’s get something clear here, I am not in disagreement that the Rafale has gotten more reports fixed than any other aircraft in the past year or so. We’re just in disagreement on why.
Prior to the addition of the Rafale, the French bug reporting team understood two things. Gaijin prioritized bug reports that were made around the time of a vehicle’s introduction, and that Gaijin prioritized vehicle/equipment that had an overwhelming amount of bug reports. With this in mind we spammed reports for the Rafale to the point it had more than 50 reports open before March knowing Gaijin would implement a good amount regardless of balance. Some reports that could have been made in a single individual report were instead stretched and divided into multiple different reports to inflate the # of open reports in order to game the bug report prioritization system.
To attribute the in-game performance of the Rafale to developer bias when taking this into context is quite foolish.
great so the Rafale was already better by every metric in february and then it got hit by a massive buff wave in march. Like thats literally part of the general complaint dude that it was already insanely good and then got even better and no one on the same br got anything to cope with that.
So according to you Gaijin prioritized the Rafales bug reports, because you guys spammed the reporting system? That would be a terrible and abusable system then and its probably bs anyway since the chinese community spams the shit out of every bug with their vehicles and they dont get fixed any faster.
No the in game performance is realistic for the standard we have in game, that is not the bias. The bias is that Gaijin is completely comfortable with fixing (buffing) the Rafale vastly faster than its peers, modeling a unique seeker for only its missiles and letting it dominate top tier unopposed while leaving every other top tier plane in the dirt. Because their bug fixes take forever and their missiles are copy and paste sidegrades.
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The majority of buffs came in February, not March.
Yes, I already think it’s a terrible system that they have and instead they should move to a system where all reports are prioritized to be worked on in less than a year of its submission, rather than prioritizing bug reports for new vehicles, or for vehicles that contain numerous reports. This same system is why older vehicles/equipments are not worked on as most would like to see. This same system also encourages developers to ignore bug reports if they like where the vehicle sits.
The Chinese don’t actually have a lot of reports that are accepted and open, and also made early on within a vehicle’s introduction to the game. They may make a lot of reports but they get shut down more often due to lack of sufficient sources.
The only bias that exists are that new contents are prioritized for bug reports and old contents are ignored for multitude of reasons (reasons that I think are not justifiable). Anything else is speculatively wrong.
Does it actually matter? February was 8 months ago, since then the Rafale is proven to be vastly better than every single competitor and Gaijin is doing nothing to fix the situation.
Your reasoning why the Rafale gets fixes so fast is completely speculative as well. If new bugs are fixed faster then the EFT should be at least as fast as the Rafales fixes especially with all the internal reports.
And still none of the bug report discussion excuses the MICA and Gaijins complete unwillingness to act upon the imbalance in top tier.
Yes it does. Because it clarifies that the majority of the buffs was not from a time period where the Rafale was “dominating” atleast statistic wise. Was it actually the best or atleast second best back then? Yes it was. But statistic wise we’re not sure where it sat.
Blame the dumb content cycle where they’re trying to save more top tier air additions for the end of the year, which leaves a lot of players without a viable contender. I would also say blame the people who requested the Rafale/EFT when the game was not in a place to be introduced.
This ignores that the EFT DID get some fixes as well, just not as much as the Rafale did but there’s a clearer reason why. When I privately inquired a Gaijin staff, they stated that including the internal reports, the Rafale had 90 reports open and the EFT had 66 open. This was back in late March. Note that the Rafale had another 14+ reports open prior to that discussion when the fixes had arrived, so the Rafale had over 100 reports open in Feb. While the EFT’s # of open reports was considerable, Rafale’s # of open reports was considerably greater (~100 vs 66).
The Rafale had the most open reports, and thus got the most fixes. The EFT had the 2nd most open reports, and thus got the 2nd most fixes.
blatantly disregards that i played 3 nations up to top tiers, another to rank 7, and grinding 4 others to rank 5, without premium account is kinda harsh,…
but yeah i guess favorizing one country is a reason to skip on :
- the blatant skill issue of the community (playing the rafale way with everything, rather than learn strength and weaknesses of their own aircrafts)?
- the will of said community for games without strategy? (most players cried and still cry when they see EC maps in RB,… - they still rush mid-map to get in the killzone of everyone)
- the spam of missile that most top tier players does, when entering the 20-30km range? (instead of focusing someone to get 1 kill, most people spam missiles to everyone, so everyone have only 1 missile to decoy)
- the lacks of awareness (waiting for their RWR to go full alert before doing anything)
but yeah, i guess we can say that EFT and all other 14.0/14.3 are not capable to do shit,…
Please then explains to me why i still got Rafale kills with my rather stock F-2A (quite balls for a 13.7BR)?
Rather simple - many people does grind different nations rather than simply one,…
(you’re an exemple for that too).
And in the time when we knew it was dominating it still got buffed so what are you trying to argue here by going into january and decemeber? That the Rafale was actually suffering big time then and therefore its position for the past 8 months is completely justified?
I mean a totally hypothetical Rafale with only 6 MICAs and no HMS would maybe have been balanced…
Awesome so the Rafale allegedly got its great, fast fixes, because the bug report system is completely abusable. Thats great to know. The EFT got fixes, thats true but the biggest problems are still unfixed and lets not forget that it also got nerfed hard due to a fix.
And still the bug reports are one thing, the MICA and unwillingness to balance top tier are another
true
but we couldn’t expect Gaijin to add like nearly end of the variants Rafale and EFT,…
a C F.2 or M F.1 standard would have been much more adapted to the in-game situation back then
i dont disregard that im just saying that thats the only reason why someone would want a situation thats unbalanced as the one in top tier rn.
Everything else you said is nice and good but the Rafale is statistically the best plane by a mile and every player that owns it and other 14.0/14.3 planes acknowledges how much better it is. And even if you look at evert component and stat objectively its just better.
For the same reason i get Rafale kills in my Gripen but individual experiences are worthless compared to the plethora of statistical evidence for the Rafales greatness
Iunno how to tell you this but we’re still waiting for the HUD to have a filter (reported on dev) or the airframe have smokeless engines (reported on dev). Smokeless engines i get sure maybe all aircraft have the same smoke profile currently, but the filter was added asap to every other airframe that needed it. Gaijin half-added it to the EF 9 months late and it doesn’t even work. People seeing a bias is justified when something like that can happen.
Another major one is the MICA, receiving a seeker buff and a reduced smoke motor (!!! no other air-launched ARH has this!) while the 120C, which also has clear evidence of being reduced smoke gets nothing, and the 120A/B with many outstanding reports also get nothing.
Gaijin has also somehow broken the HUD (apparently drawing a circle is hard) and hasn’t fixed it for months.
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Statistic wise we didn’t know that it was dominating in December and January, thus we don’t have the complete picture to make any conclusion, even though one could tell it was a strong aircraft anyway.
It was always going to come with an HMS, Gaijin already had a policy before the Rafale’s addition that if an aircraft tested HMD, it would get it.
I’d appreciate your effort if you could help get the prioritization system changed. It should be based on how old the report is regardless of anything else except for if an aircraft is already at the top BR and fixing the report would require a move up in BR, otherwise there is no reason to delay implementing reports.
We dont have the full picture but we have an 8 month picture in which the Rafale also got buffed.
Im not disputing that im just saying that there were ways to add a more balanced Rafale.
Oh dont worry, if Gaijin really prioritizes bug reports based on quantity then that stuff will be abused to hell the next time a popular vehicle doesnt function the way the community wants.
As you acknowledged already, the same report isn’t fixed on the Rafale. And things that can seem simple to you, like a HUD fix is also not fixed on the Rafale even though it was also reported early on, you just don’t hear us complaining about it or fixating on it because there’s bigger fish to fry.
When did MICA get reduced smoke motor? The report is still open:
MICA EM should have reduced smoke // Gaijin.net // Issues
Let’s make something clear, people are upset that their favorite aircraft which is getting the 2nd most fixes compared to any other vehicle in the game is not getting the same amount of fixes as the 1st most fixed vehicle in the game despite the 1st most fixed vehicle in the game having much greater open reports (atleast back when I first inquired in late march). Things are not going bad for the EFT even if it is inferior in performance to the Rafale currently.
Someone just forgot to close it.
And in that time period, the Rafale also received significantly more reports, outnumbering the number of fixes, in order to keep the # of open reports inflated.
But I would argue that a Rafale wasn’t even needed since the Mirage 2000-5F in my own opinion was the best aircraft in the game, or at the very least second best rivaling the F-15E.
Also I get this, but the number of open reports shouldn’t be what justifies the priority (or, alternatively, all reports should be actioned and then the vehicle should be moved up to a more justified BR instead of just leaving a ton as “suggestions”, which is honestly what i’d agree with more.)
I’m not saying there is a bias, but i’m saying I 100% get where the perception comes from when what is already an excellent aircraft only gets more improvements because of some faulty reporting system. It’s not really a matter of occam’s razor either - a bias is the simplest solution. The idea that the reporting system could be totally cooked resulting in that is less likely.
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