Yes, but they’ve also been spotted on a couple normal ones. (I think it was @dotSHINI that posted those pictures back during storm warning?) Its a plug-and-play system after all and not a great argument for you tbh. The reason Germany doesn’t have pirate is the same reason why the F3 has a HMD after all
You reckon nearly everything on the Rafale is overperforming, and nearly everything on the Typhoon is underperforming based on no evidence. No one can really prove the drag for any aircraft at any given altitude, wouldn’t even matter anyways because I doubt its modeled correctly in game. Drag right now in WT is just what Gaijin uses for planes to hit data points so its really up in the air for which plans has too much of it or too little of it. Most planes that have too much drag have more thrust than they should and vise versa.
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You forgot the part where this is a very toxic community of people who will spontaneously teamkill if they consider that a teammate stole a kill. Revenge mentality is the norm for this kind of players, you ain’t gonna make them change their minds
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And if we go by that absolute technicality, France also fitted 8 MICA since at least the F2 standard according to some photo evidence. Same for the HMD (not scorpion, but a top owl derivative iirc). Yet, the main argument for removing them is that those were for testing purposes.
That’s why DS says that when talking about the EFT AESA (for European countries) and the rafale 8 MICA, we should not go « rules for thee, but not for me ».
I personally am absolutely not against European EFTs receiving radars in game, but I can only point this out when some ask for those and then ask for the mica and HMD to be removed from the rafale.
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I can only speak for myself here obviously, but the main reason I’d want those gone is that the Rafale is an absolute balance nightmare atm, and tested equipment is imo the best place to start when it comes to trying to balance it.
The way you formulated that makes it sound like they just don’t have any right now lmao
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I wanted to formulate it this way :
If you think :
Then you can’t ask for European AESA EFT
But fair enough
Oh don’t get me wrong I have nothing against Rafale’s 8x MICA or HMD. France having to wait for the F4 to have something that isn’t functionally a glorified F16 would suck and I have no intention to encourage that to happen. I was just pointing out that DS’s assumption that the EFs were entirely different airframes with a different designation is wrong. They literally just fit it to production aircraft and slowly phase it in from there.
I mean, yeah I can. There’s two ways to rectify the situation: Either nerf the Rafale in some way or Buff/add stronger planes in every other nation. An AESA EFT would bring the coverage from 1/10 nations to 4/10. Tho imo there’s definitely other nations that need a stronger fighter first, the EFT is a very solid second place after all.
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While I agree with your point, saying that there’s only one nation with AESA that should be rectified is a bit dishonest since AESA and PESA are functionally identical in game and Russia does have multiple PESA radars including their top of the line fighter. You are also forgetting the F2A which, while not complete top tier material, does have AESA (and the kfir but this one is definitely not top tier material). Giving ESA to all EFT would indeed be a simple way to make 6/10 nations with an ESA radar overall, with China, Israel, the US and Sweden missing theirs. All but Israel wan also get the same treatment with ESA being used on variants of the airframes already in game, whim Israel might very well get a rafale F3R at some point
Which hilariously enough outperform every single AESA in refresh rate through the power of god knows what.
I will say an easy workaround would be
- AESA to EFT (probably as a module)
- Israel, US can get AESA eagles (also probably as a module)
- Sweden can get an early 39E
- I don’t know anything about Chinese aircraft
Issue(s) solved.
Israel doesn’t operate ESA Eagles or f16. Only their F35 are AESA.
Since the devs mentions plans for Greece and Cyprus to Israel, they could get Greek rafale F3Rs
China according to people that know more than me seems to have multiple options from the J10C to J11 derivatives
Right now the most needed one Is the J10C, but in the future we could also see the J16s, J11BG, late J15 variants, F16V and jf17 block 3
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Israel selected APG-82(V)1 for F-15I modernisation almost a decade ago and the US approved the sale last year. Hard to tell if something that modern is in yet though unfortunately.
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Yep they ordered AESA radars in conjunction with the F-15IA order, as they hope to modernise a portion of the Ra’am fleet similar to F-15IA standard, however they are still awaiting delivery as the previous US administration delayed sales of advanced electronics to Israel
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The hope is that yeah, they’ll add AESA equipped Rafales to help Israeli air until they add 5th gens and modernised Ra’ams, it’s all up in the air though
Should’ve been more clear. I was talking about the balance situation in general, not ESA coverage.
The F-15E/I, EFT, Rafale & SU-30 are currently (imo) the only really competitive planes at top tier (with the Rafale being head and shoulders above the rest), leaving China, Sweden and Japan without any competitive planes.
An AESA EFT would bring it to the same level as the Rafale, so would Gripen-Es and AESA F-15s (making it 8/10 with greek and indo Rafales) No idea how good the J-10C or Su-35 would be tbh.
Literally every aircraft china stands to gain from here on out has some form of ESA radar, the next addition should be the J-10C (skipping the B)
Gripen E will be insanely competitive, with a significantly better radar, better survivability, more missiles, better engine, etc
Possibly a pre-emptive Thai gripen E, alongside Indonesian Rafales, and maybe the super F-15J whatever it’s called
Arguably not, the main thing holding the EFTs back right now is the lack of HOBS missiles (a key part of the package) and the poor kinematics and performance of the AMRAAM models as of late.
Rafale dominates due to it’s MICAs mainly, as do the Mirage 2000-5s
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While the rafale FM is quite exceptional, I don’t think it’s being carried by it
This. All countries would benefit from having better missiles, not just a radar. As it stands, every countries can operate better missiles from the plane they already have in game
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I’d say it’s a combination of:
- honestly quite a good playerbase. Same reason why the EF’s winrate varies by 10+% between nations
- excellent FM (particularly because the supercruise was better tuned than other aircraft giving it absurd thrust)
- MICA being the single best ARH missile against a competent enemy (if the enemy is paying attention and knows how to dodge a 20km+ anything is an automatic miss)
- very good, but not really the best radar
It’s not any single thing carrying it.
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