I reckon the drag for the Rafale is waaaay lower than it should be.
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I have no clue, but the rafale is a smaller jet, in the other hand the EFT wings seem better designed for high speeds, but I am not an aero engineer, so what do I know
People really claim here something is the best but back up no sources, play the other jet they hate. And then also quietly back out of conversations. Like if we are going to claim something is great lets start pulling out numbers, and the obvious one being that neither the rafale or eurofighter are the best seller in comparison to the Aesa F35 5th gen having being sold to more allies than any of those European Jets. Its practically funny
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Probably because if you can buy a 5th gen jet with lower costs than the 4.5 gen alternative, who the hell wouldnt? Plus it gives you good standing with the us, as well as us weapons weapons being much cheaper than their European alternatives simply through economies of scale
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Lol true
Also Britain were looking towards the f-22 before it got banned from export by the us government if the eurofighter didn’t pan out anyways
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And they concluded that they didn’t want the F-22 even if it was offered…
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Italy is planned to get Mk0, so why the Mk2?
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Really? Damn. I thought they didn’t mostly because of cost basis and well the export ban
Last I heard they hadnt made any decision but were leaning towards Mk2
F-22 is a terrible multirole. They wanted a multirole iirc
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I mean you don’t wanna go that far because at the end of the day, what is accused about the Rafale F3R not having (8 missile loadout and HMD) is actually available on the F4 in service and that could be an easy request by the community.
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They acknowledged it was the best for air-to-air combat. But the whole point of Eurofighter was to be multi-role. Also F-22 was crazy expensive, so any benefit you would get from each individual aircraft being better, would be more than cancelled out by the fewer amount of aircraft you could buy (plus the cost of having to buy a different aircraft to conduct air to ground missions).
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And the F4 could be added alongside its equivalents.
Like the T4 Typhoon
You are kinda proving the point. Its not the F3, that would be balanced at the moment, its the F4
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They might be getting Mk.0 as a stop-gap, but they are part of the Mk.2 programme.
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I cant lie, Direct is right. Lets get F4 in to the game, and then a T4 which barely any nation has again lol, and just watch the rafales with micas still dominate them because missiles define matches. Not really flight models
My point is there’s no proper equivalents for the F4 in service for any nations. People want to poke fun at the F3R “overperforming by having HMD and 8 MICAs” and then advocating for EFT to get AESA radar which it hasn’t gotten in service.
Keep in mind I have never said European EFTs shouldn’t get AESA radar.
But you simultaneously have voiced support for removing HMD and 8 MICA loadout from F3R while advocating for AESA radar on EFT.
Atleast French players have a leg to stand on in regards to historical accuracy if they requested F4 while advocating against Captor-E.
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Not sure where that myth came from.
At the time the F-22 was a pure air superiority fighter - which ran contrary to European practice of preferring multi-role. We have smaller Air Forces, smaller pools of trained crews - so spreading them across specialised airframes that do one job makes very little sense.
That’s why you haven’t got any other Air Forces bothering with A-10s for example. Why bother when you’ve got access to F-16 fleets and the Euro-Canards that can all the AT/CAS stuff AND the air-to-air stuff to boot.
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Especially given the RAF was trying to get out of that mindset from the previous 30? years of aircraft operations
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