i talked with Morvran before: this would also mean adding MICA-IR with them.
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The pics is here, he lurks. I sense a strong presence.
Sure, but ASRAAM/IRIS-T vs MICA IR is 100000% more balanced than MICA EM vs Aim-9M.
MICA EM = MICA IR just with a different seeker. Kinematically they are extremely similar.
But Gaijin wont give other nations their Kinematically similar weapons because “reasons”.
Half the reason the Rafale is so OP at the moment is because it has its Gen 5 IR missiles already, just with a different seeker.
Where is it debunked? I made the report based on the HUD footage that was used to index the plane. No matter what way you split it, the bleed rate of the airplane is most likely unrealistically low.
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My point was and still is so is everything else in game.
20km less range for MICA-IR (if ranges were made correctly,…)
I still see no LOAL being modeled for the Gen 5 IRs. so absolute max range will probably be large irrelevant for them.
But all other aspects align. If anything the ARH version is harder to defeat. Even IRL
Typhoon should be able to defeat a rear aspect MICA IR quite easily with BOL. But not a MICA EM
Again, you’re comparing a 70s missile with an IRCCM to a 90s Fox three meant to long a close range it’s not gonna be fair. I think it is unfortunate that not many countries have a fox three that can do what the MICA can but we can’t just add these super IR missiles because the French designed a missile that just so happens to be really good at close range and long range. Just like it wouldn’t be fair to add ARAAMS against the R-27ER because the Soviets just so happened to design a good S/A missile.
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go away Mr pics :(
Full strenght Aim-120B would actually allow the Typhoon to engage in proper BVR, let alone C5s.
Though are you kinda proving my point . The MICA was meant to do both. The AMRAAM and Meteor was not. The Typhoon was designed around having ASRAAM and IRIS-Ts for the short range. It currently doesnt have them. Instead its got Aim-9Ls with slightly buggy IRCCM that only works sometimes
Su-27 bleed rates in game are likely higher than IRL based on HUD footage though. And bleed rates for other planes are generally accurate to within reason.
Rafale has quite literally double the high altitude and high speed turn performance of the UK MOD sources. It has better high speed and high Mach number turn performance than the Eurofighter, which has been indexed to ESR-D requirements.
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So full strength, MICA
So would full strength MICA, I think you seem to forget that the MICA is also under performing by a good amount, especially in the BVR department.
- to be fair -
IRCCM are currently no better on Magic-2 or R-73’s
No one has yet to prove the long range performance is actually all that wrong. Sure loft could be refined and the hard range cap should be dropped, but beyond that. Kinematically its correct.
Though it is still stronger in BVR than the C5 as it has a half decent seeker. The B/C5 have yet to get any buffs that would aid it at longer ranges such as
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QhYDPYj3LIRl
I had magic II ignore me pre-flaring and then spamming flares the other day in Tornado Gr4. I had an Aim-9M be one flared defeated. Literally did a 90 degree turn and go for the flare instead of the target in side ish but closer to the front aspect
Half the time im not convinced the Aim-9M even has IRCCM
if i believe recent reports made by DS, the MICA should turn more °/seconds in the early stages of the flight, and a bit faster after getting off the rail.
It’s been proven disguise and refuses to implement it for the time being.
I think most if not, all of the fox threes will probably stay in the state of placeholder-ness until further notice.
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The Tornado is not necessarily a cold aircraft. Also gotta remember that the IRCCM’s of both were different differently and have their pros and cons in different situations. Arguably gate width might be better, but it’s kind of preference I guess.
i played both missiles too, and yet the only reason i see AIM-9M failing more than R-73 or Magic-2 is due to G-load ability, after relocking on target.
i also had instances where one-flare tap decoy vs R-73, or vs magic-2 worked without pre-flaring
i believe pre-flaring is not as efficient as it was before.