It does not have them, as it uses its body to generate lift.
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ASRAAM being a single cylinder body shape doesn’t generate lift on it’s own as MICA does
or, generating lift means it actually tilt it’s course to always point at the sky by 2° to 8° in order to get that effect.
Fins ≠ wings. MICA still needs AoA to generate lift as does any other missile.
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do u think a missile lofts while maintaining 0* ? btw even symmetrical airfoils dont produce lift at 0* AOA
read again,… not anywhere near what i’ve said,…
far less AoA for MICA, thanks to body fins.
ASRAAM would need a far higher AoA (also = far more Drag, and induce an higher consumption of energy)
ASRAAM body generates lift
It is why it is a lifting body
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I mean, yes it generate lift,… but like 0.000005% it’s needs to stay in flight while going straight,…
the ASRAAM works on inertia (like any missile), and does not have anything that will prevent it’s fall in any regards.
Take your pen,… throw it, and tell me if it generates lift enough to sustain itself in the air?
do the same after giving it wings.
Just common sense.
ASRAAM is not a pen
MICAs AOA comes from the TVC motor the strakes provide stability
ASRAAM the AOA comes from the rear fins and the body provides the lift
Most of the lift comes from the body which is why it is a lifting body
The lift is not coming from the rear fins
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I’m not an aeronautical engineer and I doubt you are so, maybe we trust the people who make the system and not try and imprint your basic understanding of aerodynamics
ok,… doubt all you wants,…
you guys speak to me of turns, and i speak about straight lines trajectories : 2 different things
ASRAAM lift is provided by its body that is a fact
It fins provided the AOA to do 50G
I don’t know why you think it has no lift and just bleeds all its speed instantly
The tail fins provide AoA too, they’re not fixed stabilizers.
Yeah but most of it comes from the TVC
not what i’ve said,…
first of all,… we were speaking ASRAAM able to loft or not,… and it’s not lofting
then come lift,… and as we all know,… the effectors are the tail fins of ASRAAM, that gives the tilt to ASRAAM body, which use DRAG to make the turn. (because the body is lateral to the airflow, it will provide more drag than lift,… engineers talk of “liting body” instead of “drag effect”, because aeronautical vocabulary is based on the scheme of a wing design,…)
Mostly doing so on the first seconds of the flight, while rocket burns it is able to reach a Peak of 50G
we all have to understand each others sometimes,… and we all do speak of the same thing,…
so you are saying ASRAAM cant loft because it does not have wings ? like the mica ?
By this logic every wing operates entirely on producing drag instead of lift. Any lift produces drag inherently because it’s creating a pressure differential.
That force doesn’t come from nowhere. You can’t just push air out of the way by magic.
There is functionally no difference - you are redirecting air to create an area of low pressure and an area of high pressure, which inherently produces both lift and drag, irrelevant of whether through an airfoil or through a fin.
Also, again, the MICA does not have wings, but fins. They are symmetrical and can therefore only produce lift through AoA.
A symmetrical wing (a fin) cannot provide lift at zero AoA.
Either way, lofting is an intentional manoeuvre that involves pulling into a climb, which is irrelevant of how the missile changes direction.
Additionally, From MBDA: “[…] gives ASRAAM unrivalled speed and manoeuvrability throughout the flight envelope”
It’s clearly not going to drop far below 50G, because it’s not “unrivalled” if it drops below about 35. Plus unlike many, many thrust vectoring missiles, ASRAAM is never quoted with a “before motor burnout” and “after motor burnout” turn performance (which would make sense, as MBDA quotes the system as “relaxed stability” so the AoA it can pull would be quite absurd.).
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