My point was that its not a wonderweapon like the Rafale fanboys on the WT forums try to make everyone believe? Pretty sure it wasnt that hard of a conversation to follow…
The recent buff to the eurofighter hmd is looking very good for sim, looks like eurofighter will become ultimate rat plane with 6 9ms and 4 AMRAAMs. Unfortunate that mica exists but oh well, can’t be the best at everything
You keep spouting the same thing again and again, but who in this thread has been treating the rafale like some wonder weapon ? Stop making films in your head, its getting old
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wunderwaffe isn’t a french expression, if i may.
Most in the Rafale thread said it’s a good jet, capable at what it does. No one said it’s “100% efficient” or “invincible” without checking the context.
You should check the IRIS-T thread for the former and some F22 thread for the latter, i think.
It’s also usually not in the french thread that chinese stuff is belittled either, and i think some people are in for a wild ride if they keep that mindset
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I thought it was widely considered a Gaijin decision with no actual basis in reality.
Kinda common sense for the missile to continue recieving input from the launch aircraft if at all possible
Take for example:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/HXUwCNn4J51u
Would be kinda a waste of time if you couldnt retarget an AMRAAM within 22km
I have had people in this thread claim that the Rafale is just as good as the F-22. It simply isn’t.
Wait, where in this thread was that claimed?
I went back through every mention of the F-22 in this thread and I’m not seeing it.
Only people I have seen claiming that their plane is better than the f22 are people from the EFT consortium, no one from those "rafale fanboys"in this thread
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I should have clarified that people that have participated in this thread have made those claims. Not that they have made them in this thread.
This is literally you in my DMs a few months back.
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Holy hell, use some spoilers.
Noted.
Anyways the song and dance that Rafale fans don’t believe the plane is some kind of super-weapon is not one that is unfounded. Claiming otherwise and feigning ignorance is pretty disingenuous.
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The claim is that on forums the “Rafale fanboys” which implies plural, have made claims that the Rafale is a wonder-weapon and tried to make everyone on forums believe that.
But you’ve made several attempts to try and link drama or bring drama from discord to the forums even when the topic has been strictly regarding forum conversations or conversations that have occurred on the thread.
I have no problem giving my perspective on Rafale vs F-22 if a thread was made. However, earlier claims still remains untrue and verifiably false.
I mean, you seem to both be talking about in game, not irl so even if at some point it’s not clearly said in game i assume that is was the main subject.
“capable of countering” does not mean “as good” though
The argument “5th gen”, “stealth”, “It hits before you even know it’s here” as if those alone could suffice to make these planes uncounterable, now that i’ve seen a few times on here
And it’s much closer to a “wunderwaffe” description that what i’m seeing in those screenshots
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Since you wanna nitpick grammar of my statement, I’m gonna have to correct you here;
The statement
has “Rafale fanboys” as the subject of the statement, “on the forums” is an adjective specifying which Rafale fanboys I’m speaking of (those that frequent the WT forums specifically), and “try to make everyone believe” (that the Rafale is some kind of wonder weapon).
ie: your statements do not have to be relegated to the forums for my statement to be true.
The conversation was not strictly regarding forum conversations, it was discussing the general tone and portrayal of the Rafale by Rafale fanboys which frequent the WT forums. Statements made using your own gamertag in other mediums such as reddit, discord, youtube, other forums, etc… also apply if/when found, as it is still a “Rafale fanboy that frequents the WT forums” “trying to make everyone believe the Rafale is some kind of wonderweapon”. Your assertion that it was a statement relegated to what has been said explicitly on WT forums is just you trying to deflect from an embarrassing situation of having your statements in other mediums brought up.
As an aside, its disingenuous to pretend that the general conversation and assertions surrounding the Rafale made by the Rafale fanboys was not that it was vastly superior to most/all it competitors in some way, shape, or form on the forums.
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In this case I was assuming best intention on your part since bringing up statements/arguments from other mediums as you suggested is off-topic and against forum rules.
The problem here is some people are frustrated with the performance of a plane in-game and attempt to alleviate this frustration by bringing up statements/arguments from other sites whether that be discord or whatever, of whoever they perceive as responsible for the performance of a vehicle in-game while attempting to do so in a way that doesn’t violate the off-topic rules that has resulted in the removal of their posts previously.
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to support such claims, the Iranian F-14’s thought they were the best in the region → for fair engagement fight that is.
but then they got ambushed and surprised by Mirage F.1EQ-5/6, and got downed.
Same could happen today with F-35 and Rafale - harder it would be, but it’s still possible.
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There is also more to the conversation as well. Basically that bombing decades old Libyan air defenses in the middle of their civil war is the same as dismantling Iran’s air force and air defense system.
My point is that characterization of Rafale fanboys is not something that has happened in a vacuum.
I think it’s rather silly to try to come to the forums and say that people should not be taken at their word because the platform they used was not on the forums.
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Take the Rafale vs. F35.
F-35’s great strength (well, one of the most prominent bits) is it’s ability to stooge around and hoover up information about the entire battlefield. While being really, really, really, hard to see amidst the background noise of a warzone. Then it can relay that onto a SAM system, to an AWACs, to ships, to other aircraft, or indeed missiles already in the air. Typhoon pilots (RAF) have commented that having an F-35 around acts like a force multiplier - even if it isn’t doing the shooty bit.
There is an argument to be made that an F-35 is probably not often going to need to shoot down an opponent itself - it can bring to bear all sorts of entertaining ways to knock an opponent out of the sky without ever needing to get it’s hands dirty.
So no, I don’t think a Rafale or Typhoon or Flanker would have a fun time trying to find, hunt and kill an F-35. Anything is possible of course; but I feel the gap between 5th and 4th gen is far greater and decisive than the gap between 4th and 3rd gen.